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By:
Duncan Disordorli
When: 08 Mar 21 11:10
In London, Hector MacDonald, James Keefe, Victoria Sporting & Racing, Wally Coomes and AR Dennis (who merged at some point.)Power brothers(can't think of their trading name),Max Thomas.
Credit bookies...Esal (went bust then reformed as New Esal ! ) Kinghorns, Denver, TNS, Bloxhams(shops as well).
The list is endless, but each of these names would lay a bet. Bookmaking as such doesn't exist any longer.
By:
jimnast
When: 08 Mar 21 11:11
wellington house
wellington street
newmarket
cb88jx

i even have there fax number does anybody remember them ?

letter dated 26th june 1996

yours sincerely

russel grocott

accounts administration manager frontline
By:
Duncan Disordorli
When: 08 Mar 21 11:12
John Power was the trading name, the Jenkins brothers.
By:
jimnast
When: 08 Mar 21 11:16
hello wullie

hope your well

they had a very profitable tipping line in the 90s went out with them a few times good lads who were well connected yet for some unknown reason to everyone tried been layers ,dont think they lasted a year i am pretty sure they did have a few horse but not 100%on that,very smart lads would have still been around now if they left the laying out.
By:
Davros
When: 08 Mar 21 11:18
jimnast - Frontline - that's correct.  Thanks very much and well done - the name has been bugging me on and off for years.
By:
oor wullie
When: 08 Mar 21 11:20
I have a feeling that John Sutcliffe trained a few of the frontline horses , not 100% mind
By:
The Knight
When: 08 Mar 21 11:21
This whole thread reminds me of just how much the game has changed for the worse.

I had a Billy Hill credit account from the early 1980's onwards. I used to bet EW on course a great deal with Leslie Steel (or was it Spencer, I always get those two surnames ar*e about face) and, to a lesser degree, on the phone.

One Monday afternoon at work I called up and asked for the price about a certain horse at Fontwell. I was quoted 9/4 and so had £100 on it. It came second and I thought that was that.

But in the Life the next day, the prices showed that the horse had returned at 5/1 and the small list of bets indicated it was never as short as 9/4. So, I wrote in to William Hill saying that if they looked at my credit account activities they would see that I was an EW punter at 7/2 or more, and that I thought the horse at Fontwell must have had its price wrongly quoted to me. I ended by saying that had it been 9/2 (my suspicion) not 9/4 when I had phoned I would have had £50 ew and not £100 win.

Inside three days they wrote back saying it had been their error, 9/2 was the price but they were changing my bet to 5/1 and thus my whole stakes were returned. Also, they had credited me with a £20 free bet on the account.

Great customer service but today, well you'd be lucky to find anyone at a bookie customer service who would know the difference between 9/4 and 9/2!!
By:
jimnast
When: 08 Mar 21 11:27
your welcome davros
By:
jimnast
When: 08 Mar 21 11:28
the knight

it was spencer
By:
The Knight
When: 08 Mar 21 11:53
Thanks jimnast...Leslie Spencer with the white hair. He was a director of Billies and I recall owned a horse called Western Dancer (won the Ebor?).

On Cambridgeshire Day 1986 (on the July course that year) a friend and myself asked him for £1800 to £800 about Dancing Brave for the Arc the next day.

He was OK with it, but as an afterthought, then recommended we took the Pari-Mutual odds, as 'they will almost certainly be better'.

Like sh*t, they were. Returned 11/10. We were fuming but Billies would not budge over what had happened when we challenged them later in the week! More fool us, I suppose.
By:
jimnast
When: 08 Mar 21 12:09
everybody in the uk thought pari mutual would be better the knight ,hoped you backed dallas in the cambridgshire that afternoon on the july course the great bernard manning who loved a bet had his best ever weekend doing the double anti post dallas and dancing brave.
By:
jimnast
When: 08 Mar 21 12:10
little trivia here what do triptych and alborada have in common ?
By:
driver2
When: 08 Mar 21 13:42
I can vouch for W.Hill's good customer relations as well. A few years back I made my annual visit to Paris for the Arc and I too had a credit account with WH. The 1st race that year was for unraced 2 y.olds and 1 decided to phone Hills and have £100 on a 4/1 shot which looked the part. I spoke to a clerk, who try as he might , couldn't find the race. I told him not to worry about finding it, just write down 2.0 Longchamp with the name of the horse, the settlers will find it! But he wouldn't take the bet, no matter how hard I tried. Anyway I was in time to back it on the PMU, which I did and it won. When I got back, I wrote them a letter and they credited my account with £400. Unwittingly the clerk did me a favour.
By:
ribero1
When: 08 Mar 21 13:49
It wasn't Wilson who sold Surrey to Skybet. He sold Surrey and the new owner kept the name and then sold it to Skybet.
By:
driver2
When: 08 Mar 21 13:49
jimnast, they both won the Champion Stakes twice in successive years.
By:
driver2
When: 08 Mar 21 13:50
and they were both fillies.
By:
dukeofpuke
When: 08 Mar 21 13:58
Sporting Options and Bodugi anybody remember those 2
By:
ribero1
When: 08 Mar 21 14:12
Nevison involved in Bodugi?
By:
jimnast
When: 08 Mar 21 14:14
yes ribero he was
By:
jimnast
When: 08 Mar 21 14:15
both correct driver but not quite the answer i am looking for ,look at the knights post which is why the question came to mind.
By:
ronnie rails
When: 08 Mar 21 14:19
Duke

re sporting options the guy who got the tricasts up a couple of times at Thirsk used to work for them he used to ring me up to sign up with them Paul Cooper was his name.

have a good day

Ronnie.
By:
sonofshinner
When: 08 Mar 21 14:24
Any one remember P.T.S.postal turf services...you posted your bets prior to the race with a ist class stamp.i put my tote bets on with them when the high Street bookies wouldn't entertain you.
By:
ged
When: 08 Mar 21 14:30
Surrey Racing? They used to offer individual prices on horses to complete/not complete in the Grand National (you had to bet in 'trebles' or upwards, but could pick your own combinations, rather than the 'pre-made' combinations which other bookmakers offered). I opened an account with them in the spring of 1996 to make use of that. I had 3 x £50 combos and won just over a grand (2 won, 1 lost). I had had one other bet on the account - £20ew at Cheltenham, which lost. They sent me my Grand National winnings and closed my account. I didn't see them as a good bunch.
By:
SeeMoreBusiness
When: 08 Mar 21 14:39
lovely post The Knight about the ew bet. The personal touch is gone now of course. A good few years ago, well refreshed by the time of the last race at Goodwood, I had £120 on the FAP @ 6/4 on my credit A/C with VC on the rails. Hosed up. The statement comes in a few weeks later showing £20 @ 6/4. Called up and explained the mistake and remarked that I doubt if I had ever placed a £20 bet on such a shortie. 15 mins later, call back to me accepting my word (no tape in operation) and crediting me with the extra winnings. Different times.
By:
jimnast
When: 08 Mar 21 14:43
you could also bet by phone with pts i had an account but was not even aware of the postal bit which was mentioned earlier on the thread.
By:
Manoleeds
When: 08 Mar 21 15:04
Who was the oncourse bookie in the South who used to have two union jack flags sticking out the top of his board? Looked a bit like Barry Dennis and did of lot of distance betting in small fields . Remember being at Newbury one day when he had prices for the distance the hot pot was going to win by and Eddie Freemantle kept going back and forwards -probably ensured  that  he won no matter what happened and the bookie was  shouting to any bystanders "That's how the pros do it".Think he did quite a lot of without the favourite betting as well.
By:
jimnast
When: 08 Mar 21 15:22
very few now bet without in england nowadays i think they take the view the modern racegoer does not understand it,still plenty of books in ireland bet without some even without the front two.
By:
sparrow
When: 08 Mar 21 15:31
I remember watching my father clerking on the aways in the 50s.
By:
jimnast
When: 08 Mar 21 15:45
nobody bets solely on the aways anymore sparrow.
By:
jimnast
When: 08 Mar 21 15:47
come to think of it nobody clerks
By:
democrat
When: 08 Mar 21 16:05
Mano - trading name Charlie James - bookmaker Roy Woolgar
By:
sparrow
When: 08 Mar 21 16:09
jimnast 08 Mar 21 16:47 
come to think of it nobody clerks





Well it was a while ago Grin
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 08 Mar 21 16:10
That was Charlie James, manoleeds.

He looked more like Barry Dennis than Barry Dennis does.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 08 Mar 21 16:11
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By:
StillLearning
When: 08 Mar 21 16:12
I remember blue square I think they were my first online bookmakers what happened to them?
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 08 Mar 21 16:12
I do beg his pardon. Charles James.
By:
jimnast
When: 08 Mar 21 16:55
city index were involved with blue square at first ,in the end betfair bought the company in 2013,to improve there sportbook and gaming side,the racecourse pitches were bought by a very clever hexham bookmaker who did a job the russian secret service would have been proud of.
By:
penzance
When: 08 Mar 21 17:09
I'm not one for saying everything was better
in the good old days.
I do think they should bring back the old
boards at the tracks,though.The tracks lost a
lot of character when they went for the electric
ones.Half change the prices at the same time now,
no choice in the prices hardly.
By:
jimnast
When: 08 Mar 21 17:18
more than the boards penzance the racegoers miss the tic tacs,my non racing friends still ask me why are there none there anymore.
By:
penzance
When: 08 Mar 21 17:25
yeah,the whole of the betting ring.
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