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By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 25 Jun 20 14:38
the bot gives everyone only what its happy to give them..backing or laying..its all down to % above the market..its design is to win ev click.
By:
DOUBLED
When: 25 Jun 20 14:38
Just an observation but the ATR tracks are definitely playing better/fairer right now.
By:
jamesdean
When: 25 Jun 20 14:39
ofc

so obviously whoever clicks first will get a better match, hence why you were getting better matches when rtv pics were level
then worse matches when they got faster pics for some using rtv
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 25 Jun 20 14:40
jamesdean 25 Jun 20 14:37 
Everyone was getting matched better 1st week after lockdown because they hadnt got their fast pics set up yet, it took them a week or 2 to get
a set up going.

absolutely pmsl....what the fcuk takes 2 weeks to sort faster pics?
By:
jamesdean
When: 25 Jun 20 14:40
100% doubled, which quashes willies bot theory

unless ofc the bot only operates at rtv tracks and gives the atr tracks a miss
By:
jamesdean
When: 25 Jun 20 14:41
A week to 2 after a pandemic willy where all eyes are on, I dont think that is so ubsurd tbh
taking into account it's meant to be behind closed doors just now, do you?
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 25 Jun 20 14:42
DOUBLED 25 Jun 20 14:38 
Just an observation but the ATR tracks are definitely playing better/fairer right now.

post your p&l and confirm this?
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 25 Jun 20 14:43
the atr tracks have way faster pics to us than ruk tracks..aint you realised this?
By:
ProSniper
When: 25 Jun 20 14:44
#6 for Shafty in the next..

By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 25 Jun 20 14:45
we will wait for doubles p&l to confirm his comment.
By:
jamesdean
When: 25 Jun 20 14:46
Why was it so easy for most first week after lockdown willy?

Serious question, was the bot self isolating or has it took the fast pic boys a week to sort something out after a pandemic?
By:
dustybin
When: 25 Jun 20 14:46
Willie Shafter. • June 25, 2020 2:43 PM BST
the atr tracks have way faster pics to us than ruk tracks..aint you realised this?


eh?
ATR are slower in real terms. Anyway if nobody is getting to fast pics then it wouldnt matter if all pics were 1min behind, everyone would still be betting off the same delayed thing
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 25 Jun 20 14:46
gray..the blv atr feed is half a sec in front of ruk is it not?
By:
dustybin
When: 25 Jun 20 14:48
no
not anymore, it lost time just before lockdown
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 25 Jun 20 14:49
jamesdean 25 Jun 20 14:46 
Why was it so easy for most first week after lockdown willy?

imo temptation...then slowly turn the screw as they did sometime last week.
By:
dustybin
When: 25 Jun 20 14:51
Theres a much simpler and much more likely scenario and we know ppl have form in this sort of thing
That is that theres availability of a fast feed RTV, it would explain all of it
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 25 Jun 20 14:51
gray abso tosh..the atr blv was around .6 behind ft pre lockdown..ruk was 1 sec.

theres nothing to time it against to confirm anything different.
By:
john92
When: 25 Jun 20 14:52
"A specific game that I play is up unless I'm at the track" seems a more accurate title for this
By:
jamesdean
When: 25 Jun 20 14:52
Temptation? lost me there

again and last question

so you think they turned the bot up after a week?  seriously?  Why would they not just have it on full pelt all the time

You honestly think it is more plausible betfair have their bot on a dial, didnt use it first week and now dont use it at sky tracks
than it took a week for the fast rtv boys to get set up?
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 25 Jun 20 14:54
why would a smack dealer hand a few free samples out james iyo?
By:
jamesdean
When: 25 Jun 20 14:55
gray abso tosh..the atr blv was around .6 behind ft pre lockdown..ruk was 1 sec.

youve lost the plot willy, atr blv slowed right down after they lost flash iirc
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 25 Jun 20 14:55
so you think they turned the bot up after a week?  seriously?  Why would they not just have it on full pelt all the time

reiterate..'temptation'.
By:
dustybin
When: 25 Jun 20 14:56
WS the transfer to non flash product on ATR lost time
We will see when FT returns

For what its work my take on the ease of first week back was simply ppl had cash available from lockdown bail out, they came thinking theyd have a go, lost it and we all regressed to the norm, the losers went skint and fooked off
By:
Wesdag
When: 25 Jun 20 14:57
willie, are you sure you're not the bot?

seem to know so much about its workings
By:
jamesdean
When: 25 Jun 20 14:58
Any reason why betfair dont seem to use the bot at sky lv tracks just the rtv tracks?

soz that is my last question, off out in garden to get some sun in between races
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 25 Jun 20 14:58
do you want me to post my bets gray from 1st 2 weeks..i wasnt clicking 340 and taking prices from 30-340..it changed overnight beginning of last week..and 5-6 pro in runners agreed with me.
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 25 Jun 20 15:00
james as far as im aware my spread of prices is the same at ev track.
By:
dustybin
When: 25 Jun 20 15:01
Not particularly
Why wouldnt my premise still hold water?
Ppl came with money, lost it and it reverted to same old grind?
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 25 Jun 20 15:04
i concur to a degree gray..but last week overnite it changed dramatically. that is fact.
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 25 Jun 20 15:06
rl posted a days p&l from last week..it was embarrassing..ev race was £2-£5 why?
By:
ProSniper
When: 25 Jun 20 15:11
DEAD monies becoming more scarce Cool Volatility on the rise Excited
By:
Wesdag
When: 25 Jun 20 15:13
I/R equivalent of dartitis?
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 25 Jun 20 15:14
ive laid plenty winners that looked like dead money Laugh
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 25 Jun 20 15:22
if i had a £ for ev pro in runner thats now struggling i'd be doing well.

nowt to do with botfair though.
By:
loper
When: 25 Jun 20 15:24
1000s of pro inrunners???
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 25 Jun 20 15:29
soz meant ££££££££ Wink
By:
dustybin
When: 25 Jun 20 15:35
Everyone will agree theres no easy money
But like any market in business, the best run ones survive
By:
dustybin
When: 25 Jun 20 15:38
*any business in a market
By:
Willie Shafter.
When: 25 Jun 20 15:42
is your head on the right way?
By:
dustybin
When: 25 Jun 20 15:46
The first rule of enterprise is to cut expenditure when times become difficult
If people/business has to pay suppliers in order to profit then the value of the product they create is at risk.

If they create their own value then they will prevail

At somepoint the easy money dries up and all that is left are the wiley ones.
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