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By:
Andrew.in.Sweden
When: 23 Jun 20 12:23
This is what i emailed to a friend last night.

I knew that Frankie had taken the ride on English King and he wouldn't be the first jockey to 'jock off' another on a big race favorite, Lester was a master at it. John Gosden may not have a runner of significance in the race anyway and the owner of English King has history with Frankie via Stradivarius so it wasn't really a surprise.

Let's look at the Lingfield Derby trial and i agree that he was an impressive winner, but consider the field (it was only listed class) and pace that was strong from the outset, too strong really and this is borne out by Jamies sectional analysis. Several of them dropped away tamely. English King raced from off the pace and although he took a while to pass the runner-up at the 1f pole, the further they went the better he looked. The race winning time was very good although the going was good to firm.

Bear in mind what he beat. Nothing has come out of the race and subsequently advertised the form, although the runner up did run 2nd at RA and is obviously a staying type as opposed to a middle distance horse.

English Kings sire, Frankie, being lightly raced and the fact he won at Lingfield (similar undulations to Epsom) are all positives. Trip will not be an issue.

He's never run in a group race and that is a negative, as is the dam, she was useless on the course (0/9) but she has thrown several winners albeit in small grade.

The opposition is an unknown at the moment, but if Kameko (2000 guineas winner) stays 12f he will take some beating. The first classic is a good trial for the Derby as the sire of English King will testify. There have been many dual classic winners even in my racing history going back to Sir Ivor, Nijinsky, Nashwan and Sea The Stars to name a few.

My bottom line conclusion would be - is he good enough to win the Derby ?
By:
Fashion Fever
When: 23 Jun 20 14:55
what about 5 ballydoyle jocks trying to block Marquand in vubiant

A no brainer for the owner shoudnt be slated for it, Marquand always knew the situation
By:
breadnbutter
When: 23 Jun 20 16:58
Agree Andrew but that's exactly the type of pace you get in the Derby, so current price about right but due to current events its got big priced unexposed winner written all over it.
Interesting race now imo and weather will play its hand too.
Thing is English King was going away at the end and to me will improve again.
By:
impossible123
When: 23 Jun 20 18:04
I think the ground played a big part for his win at Lingfield, and he may get it at Epsom too come Derby Day.
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 23 Jun 20 19:46
Havlin "unbeatable".  He fell off one the other day, managing to clip the heels of another horse in the acres and acres of space that is Newmarket racecourse!
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 23 Jun 20 21:56

Jun 23, 2020 -- 2:55PM, Fashion Fever wrote:


what about 5 ballydoyle jocks trying to block Marquand in vubiant A no brainer for the owner shoudnt be slated for it, Marquand always knew the situation


Every chance Marquand will now be one of those 5 Ballydoyle jockeys - I would think his ride on Royal Dornoch on Sat was acceptable from their perspective.

Just now needs to channel his inner Padraig Beggy

By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 24 Jun 20 00:23
would be fitting if marquand beat frankie on one of coolmores .
By:
hello :-)
When: 25 Jun 20 11:50
i couldnt back against kameko

looks to have that bit of class required , has top drawer acceleration , and travels through its races very well so i cant see epsom being a problem

been there and done it in G1 , has best form in race and won the best trial

English king is far to short on what its achieved and though a decent horse in anyones book it must overcome rise in class , track , and negotiate one of toughest races in calander with minimal experience

Kameko a no brainer for me , but good luck all
By:
driver2
When: 25 Jun 20 13:32
I agree with you hello, especially after the comments from jockey and trainer after the 2000.
By:
penzance
When: 25 Jun 20 13:38
I think every horse to run after that Lingfield
race has been hammered,even the 2nd Berkshire Rocco
was a well btn rnr/up at Ascot,aswell.Form's a bit
suspect to me.
By:
penzance
When: 25 Jun 20 14:26
Military March a runner?
drifting like a barge,on here.
By:
driver2
When: 25 Jun 20 15:11
looks like it's a non runner
By:
acey deucy
When: 05 Jul 20 07:15
Would not win The Derby if it started yesterday....Acey knew.Cool
By:
acey deucy
When: 30 Jul 20 14:51
A few bad Bad Judges on this Forum.Grin
By:
acey deucy
When: 13 Sep 20 17:31
Some bad judges on this forum.Laugh
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