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I’d already looked earlier. It was 2.24 which was quick
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the price disparity between a john gosden trained horse and an ed walker trained horse hardly justifies argument
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hibore, was yesterdays race 2.24 , or like me you were mentioning high rise time.?
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thing is this year will they go now for king edward at r ascot before or instead of the derby?
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Yesterday’s race was 2.24.
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cheers,
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Just can’t have Ed Walker as a Derby-winning trainer.
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Kameko
Cant be having him... imo. |
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doubt if the new fav now will turn up at epsom imo
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I cannot have Kameko for the Epsom Derby as he'd be another Roaring Lion; the Epsom Derby could be 2f too far.
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Dettori booked.
Had a feeling that was going to happen. Let's face it if you had one shot at winning a Derby would you rather have Dettori or Marquand? |
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I feel its wrong to take Marquand off the horse irrespective of the quality of Dettori ... he has done nothing wrong & wil be a future champion
Personally hope it runs like a rag |
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Dettori all day long. It's The Derby.
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Won't be winning the Derby. others will have far too much speed. A Leger horse, Cups next year maybe.
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Owners decision the Trainer would not even have a say in it...Harsh on young Marquand mind you.
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On his death bed he might realise loyalty is more valuable than chasing every note in existence. Because I can safely say he doesn't need the money to keep a roof over his head.
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owners' prerogative etc
marquand off dettori on...small -ve imo would be more concerned at field size, draw, how many coolmore runners line up etc if I was connections of EK or a backer |
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Also many people wouldn't have given the same name to another horse after his 2-y-o EK died in 2015.
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Easy to see why the Owner is in love with Dettori after his exploits on Stradivarius.
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4th July this year (Independence Day) .. Omens are screaming out to us....
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I fancy Dust Bin Suroors Horse Military March....That old adage 4th in The Guineas Ist in The Derby.
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I'm on EK.. Now it's in the lap of the Gods... If he wins, form reads 7111 .. Now if 7 = G = King George III
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Acey - I remember that old adage. Generous 1991
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A no-brainer decision in my book. It'd be silly not to when Dettori is available. Will he win? I'm not a fan.
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Couldn't have been more impressed with this horse at Lingfield. Slight reservation was I wasn't sure how strong the form was but think Berkshire Rocco's run at Ascot has to be a positive (some might say that it's not exactly a quick horse but it seemed to travel comfortably enough up with the pace at Lingfield and looked to quicken into contention at Ascot before being outstayed). I always try like a bear to look away from the favourite in big races trying to seek some value, often to the point of over thinking things but just loved the way this horse settled and covered every move that was made in the race at Lingfield. It broke slowly on it's debut and again at Lingfield but not to the extent that I think it will be a major issue given that it travelled so easily during the race. Do I think it is value? probably not but there is certainly no other horse in the race I would consider backing against it.
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Marquand gave EK a beautiful ride at Lingfield, in terms of the efficiency of the trip, switching the horse off, producing the horse lovely to win the race and filling the horse with lots of confidence. They looked a match made in heaven.
A surprising and disappointing decision to jock off a young jockey whose star is very much in its ascendency, IMO. |
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just watched his interview with Chapman tonight, what an absolute gent he is. his handling of the situation was top notch from someone so young and obviously with the disappointment he has just had.
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The decision was far closer to being inevitable rather than surprising.
On the biggest stage there is no comparison between the two jocks. Dettori is one of the best big race jocks in the history of the sport. The Derby will likely be a totally different ball game to the two strolls Marquand has had on the horse. If the owner thinks he has a once in a lifetime chance to the win the Derby the last thing he wants to be doing is worrying about whether the jock is going to mess up. |
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I was surprised when I first read it, but obviously it isn't surprising when you consider the Stradivarius link between owner and jockey.
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In the 1980's iirc Teenoso, Slip Anchor and Khayasi all won the Lingfield Derby Trial before winning at Epsom.
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dettori is no lester around Epsom is he,not like its ascot
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Very True !!
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what price loyalty?
Wally was 19,never got jocked off Shergar. Feel gutted for the lad. Dettori is world class but he don't win the Derby every other year. |
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I am sure i am not alone in hoping the Horse gets stuffed.
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Was just going to post similar acey.
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Youg Marquand riding out of his skin right now he deserved better.
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I wouldn't mind guessing the Trainer would have been more than happy to stick with Marquand.
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not sure that dettori is one of the best big race jockeys in the history of the sport, his record last few years has been fantastic but theyve nearly all been gosdens horses with nearly 7lb in hand, like j obrien he was a real big race jockey for his dad but again he had 10 lb better horses underneath him.
gosden is domination uk racing at the moment and any jockey could win on his horses, even havlin seems unbeatable at the moment. imo kinane, murtagh , fallon were superior big race jockey |
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I hate this jocking off lark. Too much hoo-ha about jockeys . When the gates open it's just another race -could be a mile and half h'cap at Redcar. All jockeys I heard talking after a first Gr.1 ride/win have confirmed this.media ballyhoo doesn't affect the actual race as run.
Nothing against Frankie but i hope it's beaten a nose. |
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English King will be overbet on the day. TY Dettori. Marquand is the future. Good luck to TM
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