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Pinatubo
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Yep, looked more like a non-stayer than a horse that hasn't trained on.
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Tricky race to rate but the time surprisingly good, I got Kameko 127/128 make of that what you will?
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Nonsense, about 115 I reckon ... time was slow side for guineas
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kameko 1m 34.72 = fastest time ever recorded in the 2000 guineas
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So what? .... other races were fast too, 1m 4f course record yesterday.... its the times compared to other races that is important.
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are you aware its a different course to yesterday & also that its rained since yesterday also?
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v few top class races run over 1m 4f on rowley also
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Are you aware that it was only 0.44 secs faster than the 4:10 won by 89 rated horse?
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..... thought not #wondernotsobright
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The fav has run faster than that on two occasions before so he may have either not stayed or got tired.
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well if you'll let me fkin reply 1st...I am but you have committed your 3rd faux pas in this conversation already by pegging your analysis to 1 other race...if you are wrong about the 4.10pm you are wrong about the guineas too
hint: wait for the sectional times before you make your (bogus) conclusions |
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Following wind would have helped but as he didn't get a clear passage, Kameko is capable of knocking another second off that.
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LOL. Bookies had a good day, as usual.
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Not really. First and second would have been strong e/w bets on the day. Plenty of other fancied winners.
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Is there any difference between "not stayed" and "got tired"?
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Yeah and what about a welter of anteposts on the nose? they put the f***ing thing on PAGE OF THE TIMES ON THURSDAY!
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Number8 did Stradivarius not stay yesterday or did he get tired?
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The thing which bothers me a little about the form is Wichita? The sire No Nay Never having some success over a trip one would wrongly think too far?? Will be scratching my head on that. mean rating for front 5 122, median 124, 127 for the winner.
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best ever guineas performance , and kameko wasn't stopping
well above average horse , you seen that when it walked past good horses at Newcastle |
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I think Pinatubo would not have won if the race was over 7f - he just did not pick up and run to the line like previously. Unless something untoward could be found over the next few days or was not as fit as his trainer had thought then I believed others eg Wichita and Kameko (line thro' Positive) had caught up and surpassed him this season.
However, I'm not sure he did not stay 8f on the evidence of his wins in Ireland and The Dewhurst over much softer ground; 6/4 for the The James's Palace Stakes, with 7/4 Wichita. |
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Think Nadal in the US looks better than these, before retirement.
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impossible 123
I'm sure you understand the definition of insanity, but I would be happy to oblige you if you think it doesn't apply to 3yo Pinatubo v 3yo Wichita (nb if by any chance you're considering placing any of your hard-earned on the St James Palace stakes, think very carefully, mate, honestly) |
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Brigusti : you jest.
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I've seen the race on YouTube and they are saying it was a fast run classic.
Personally I will be amazed if the top miler this year ran in that race today. Times have been fast all weekend at Newmarket and the wind was behind them on fresh ground. Brilliant to see a Balding back on the big stage. But let's not get to carried away with today's form. As for Pinatubo he ran a solid race but wasn't good enough. |
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I'll not back him unless he's 5/1 (at least) as I believe others have caught up with him and/or 8f stretches his stamina to breaking point.
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Oh dear Impossible ... you believed Pinatubo was the second coming, pinning your shirt to the mast and raising it high, see if you can learn something from this! your pocket is empty, you have done yer nuts , and you no doubt put up a load of cr4pp on here about the winner . This will not stop you from pontificating about the future however, despite your reasoning on most subjects being constantly exposed as false. have a good look in the mirror mate and start trying to believe how ugly you look.
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Those that question his stamina could be right but I wouldn't be in that camp yet. He is very much bred to get 10 furlongs. He got 7f on soft very well as a 2-y-o. I think he ran a good race yesterday when the quick ground was not ideal.
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I agree Howard ... ran well and probably will improve quite a bit for the run. Think once headed he stayed on all the way to the line and the winner just had a better turn of foot. Would like to see over 10f.
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1000G winner only just slower than the yesterday's winner and you could argue today's times not as fast as yesterday.
So for those boasting about race times yesterday don't go over board please. As for Pinatubo beating Love no chance. |