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From this morning in London, piled in like sardines in a in. Not blaming the people, it’s what they’ve been told they can do
https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1260465038881685505 my pics were a guide. |
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Pics were a guide.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK37rZqOPKQ&feature=youtu.be&fbclid
=IwAR1GR3Elhyc2sTQctXd_nrIL_X8j_Qn9HGJhWm6n-hLR8LM7EXGR-DtK3Vo now we have 5g masts disguised as trees..  |
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100% the Gov are going for herd immunity.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1260465038881685505
real life situ.. |
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Expect a second spike. Are the Gov fking stupid?
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Your pics were 2 years old you plonker
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The vast majority of those passengers will have no other option. The government has put them in an impossible position. The Gov better sort out our transport system quick.
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The problem is we didn't get a first spike. The most we got to was less than 1000 deaths a day and in a decent flu season we would get well over 1500 a day for a week or so. This virus isn't going away unfortunately its just been held back a little. The government should just be honest about it.
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truehoncho Im not sure I go with the flu explanation. There are many unknowns about covid19. Its a NEW virus.
This also seems to spread more easily than than most seasonal flus. Many cases are asymptomatic thats a huge problem. Hospitals can get overwhelmed as we have seen. There is also a higher fatality rate than normal seasonal flu. with covid19 every treatment is essentially a trial run. There is no vaccine. |
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Covid Steve and his “guide pictures”
Fkin priceless |
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Hey Steve there’s been a sighting of 3 darleks ,2 cybermen and ET non social distancing on Clapham Common
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I agree it looks like it transmits more than flu but that's probably because we have no immunity to it in the population. I don't believe its more deadly, I doubt it's killed many people at all. Most have died with it or with complications to their already poor health. My guess is when it comes around again (and it will) it will look exactly like flu. Anyway what are you meant to do? As you say there is no vaccine and questionable therapeutics. The NHS no longer see's it as the threat they anticipated it to be and beds are now being transferred back to other treatments. My understanding is that around 20% of beds are to be ready for use in the event of another surge. That's a fraction of what was initially anticipated.
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Steve said the London buses are just as bad.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/13/packed-tube-trains-prompt-union-anger-at-johnsons-back-to-work-message-coronavirus-lockdown
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truehoncho,does flu kill as many front line NHS workers and care sector staff as covid-19 ? in your opinion.
AS you don't believe covid is more deadly than flu. |
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Steve, stop posting fake news ta. Richard D. Hall is calling you
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Wazza..not your finest moment..hands up and apology would help matters.
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I have never seen any figures for that mwnn. I will say though that front line staff are no different to the rest of the population so I don't see why they shouldn't die with flu. The reason I don't think C19 is more deadly that flu is because Public Health Englands own figures evidence this. Some reports suggest flu has killed a lot more in a season.
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Some astounding views on here.
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https://www.england.nhs.uk/north/front-line-health-staff-urged-to-protect-against-flu/
A quick google found this which may explain why front line staff are at less risk to flu. Essentially they have to vaccinate. |
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'Johnny_Mustang', I can see why some chose the UK!
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truehoncho,for seasonal influenza,mortality is usually well below 0.01%.so far what we know about covid-19
would suggest the mortality rate is far in excess of seasonal flu.Some reports estimate as much as 20 times as high. I am sure you will know this. |
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truehoncho 80% of covid19 infections are mild or asymptomatic, 15% are severe (requiring oxygen) and 5% are critical (requiring ventilation). These figures are considerably higher than what is typically observed in flu.
The speed of transmission is very important when assessing the deadliness of this virus. Influenza has a shorter incubation period (the time between infection and the onset of symptoms) so it can be diagnosed and treated more quickly. The mortality rate for covid19 based on is currently estimated by the WHO to be between 3-4%. Covid19 is more contagious there is the problem for everyone. This is not like Flu at all. |
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That's just not true mwnn. How can it be? We don't even know how many have it. My guess is it isn't much different to flu. Time will tell. Maybe you could post one of the reports to say it's 20 times more, I would be interested to read it.
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99% of over 70s would be highly delighted if was not "much different to flu".
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80% of covid19 infections are mild or asymptomatic, 15% are severe (requiring oxygen) and 5% are critical (requiring ventilation). These figures are considerably higher than what is typically observed in flu. - Well these are based on what? We haven't got a clue how many have or have had the virus. As far as deaths are concerned it's just like flu. In fact considering there is no immunity in the population it looks to me a lot less deadly than flu but we won't know that until we know how many have had it. All is conjecture but the absolute provable facts are that the number of deaths so far is not much more (if any) than a bad flu season and the NHS didn't get anywhere near, not anywhere near the capacity they were told to expect. In a year or so's time you may be proved right but as it stands it's pure conjecture.
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I agree sparrow. Too many people are under the impression that if you are over 70 and get it you will die. Very few over 70's who get this die, just a lot more than the general population which would be the same for most virus and infections.
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honcho, that is not what was meant and you know it. Quite simply far more people over 70 die of Covid than the flu.
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Absolutely not Sparrow. You are wrong no more people over 70 (to date) die of Covid than flu. Where did you read that? If you check the public health england reports you will get the info you need.
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what do you put the excess 50,000 deaths since mid march down to ?
to compare this to flu is ridiculous |
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Well Hello, I posted a document nearly 2 months ago on here regarding flu. I said this is how I thought the virus would go and I said that if they locked down it would flatten the curve but make no difference to total deaths I think I predicted 60,000. Somebody kindly took the table out of the document and posted it which broke down deaths into age groups etc which have proved very similar to Covid. It's not ridiculous its called stating facts I have read and producing the official numbers to back it up. I don't know where you got your excess deaths number from (if you post it I will read it) but that doesn't alter anything I said, there should be more really if its as bad as you make it out to be.
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https://www.ft.com/content/40fc8904-febf-4a66-8d1c-ea3e48bbc034
that's the link to article , breaks it down into regions aswell and I imagine its the only way to do international comparison aswell in future |
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https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/excesswintermortalityinenglandandwales/2017to2018provisionaland2016to2017final
Well Hello, here is another official document that put 50000 excess deaths down to flu in 2017/18. The scaremongering nonsense spewed out across the TV and media is just horrendous. I can see why people are convinced of it but it's not hard to find the truth. |
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Hello, I posted my last post before I saw yours. I wasn't trying to upstage you. Thanks for the link.
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truehoncho This is not aimed at you directly but you need to be very careful with your assumptions about Flu and this virus. covid19 is a novel virus, I repeat.. a "NEW" virus. It has spread far beyond Sars and Mers. It spreads more quickly than FLU.
Heres the thing truehoncho and I respect your views. Covid19 remains extremely dangerous because so many people show minimal or no symptoms. Do you understand this point? This can accelerate person to person transmissions because carriers of the virus simply dont know they have it. There is no treatment ,there is no vaccine and no ones really sure how this pandemic will unfold. |
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I agree with everything you just said Trident. I may have inadvertently called it flu but I know it isn't but what we know of it up to now (and I totally agree that's limited) its unfolding similarly to a flu epidemic. If it is worse than flu and/or we can't get a vaccine or immunity then of course we are in a load of trouble (and that may well happen). I am not sure anything we are doing at the moment will make much difference if that is the case. We are however trashing our economy and putting people out of work and I suppose I am in the camp that says we need to get back to normal and risk the consequences.
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I would just add that if we were in the position now that if it was killing more healthy young people I would be of a different mind.
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