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By:
foxy
When: 05 May 20 15:01
And thanks for your guide to Phoenix park.
By:
elisjohn
When: 05 May 20 15:09
not certain but commanche run winning the champion stakes was the last champion to be run therre
By:
elisjohn
When: 05 May 20 15:15
https://www.bing.com/search?q=irish+champion+stakes+1985++you+tube&form=EDGEAR&qs=HS&cvid=999afef66aaf48ba86612627685e7d98&cc=GB&setlang=en-US&plvar=0&PC=DCTS
By:
elisjohn
When: 05 May 20 15:18
https://www.bing.com/search?q=irish+champion+stakes+1985++you+tube&form=EDGEAR&qs=HS&cvid=999afef66aaf48ba86612627685e7d98&cc=GB&setlang=en-US&plvar=0&PC=DCTS
By:
elisjohn
When: 05 May 20 15:18
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By:
elisjohn
When: 05 May 20 15:20
oops making a mess of the commanche run you tube
By:
elisjohn
When: 05 May 20 17:19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbN7JSZ71a8 
thats better
By:
foxy
When: 05 May 20 19:54
I enjoyed watching that Elisjohn couldn’t watch it earlier as don’t know how to get them like,I only remember Phoenix park as a name there seemed a good crowd there shame it closed ,I know the park is still open.

Not often tryptych didn’t run her race,,pretty sure bob back caused a huge shock at royal ascot one day ,possibly the prince of Wales,and as for the winner Comanche run what a performance whilst I remember him well particularly when winning the st leger and later in the season at Newmarket when the big match was on between him and slip anchor the race was  turned into a procession by pebbles,I hadn’t realised how good he was on the day,£261,000 to the winner the commentator at Phoenix park said that’s not a bad effort in 1985.
By:
Johnny_Mustang
When: 05 May 20 20:24
Some good images of bookies at Phoenix Park on this link:

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/taking-a-punt-at-the-phoenix-park-racecourse-1.3411612
By:
foxy
When: 05 May 20 20:27
Thanks jm I shall get the daughter to find me the link.
By:
Johnny_Mustang
When: 05 May 20 20:29
No problem at all Foxy. Hope you’re keeping safe and well.
By:
elisjohn
When: 05 May 20 20:39
not certain but i think that phoenix park is a zoo now?
By:
elisjohn
When: 05 May 20 20:41
foxy ,( couldnt get them earlier), do you mean my previous links, they were errors on my parts
By:
foxy
When: 05 May 20 20:46
Thanks jm hope everything is ok with you

No what it is Elisjohn I am not very good with computers so I have to get my daughter to get those links people post,like the one jm has posted I will have to wait till she gets it for me.
By:
elisjohn
When: 05 May 20 20:48
im very similar, foxy, ive just learnt how to copy and paste, that why i do it often on these old racesGrin,
By:
foxy
When: 05 May 20 21:00
Elisjohn it’s definitely a tourist attraction when you stay in the hotels there’s always leaflets about it I have a feeling there is also some kind of palace there but the zoo does ring a bell.

Jm the bookmakers over there haven’t change that much compared to over here.
By:
MJK
When: 05 May 20 21:15

May 5, 2020 -- 8:39PM, elisjohn wrote:


not certain but i think that phoenix park is a zoo now?


There's apartments now covering about half the area of the old racetrack. There used to be a big grass mound down near the 7f start which is still there. The Zoo is about 15 min walk down the road.

By:
elisjohn
When: 05 May 20 21:19
anyone know if commanche run champion was the last irish champion stakes to be run there?
By:
MJK
When: 05 May 20 21:22
Pretty sure Park Express won it there the year after.
By:
elisjohn
When: 05 May 20 21:22
no im wrong seems it was 1990 , when elmammul won it
By:
elisjohn
When: 05 May 20 21:25
The event was established in 1976, and it was initially held at Leopardstown as the Joe McGrath Memorial Stakes. It was named in memory of Joe McGrath (1887–1966), the founder of the Irish Hospitals' Sweepstake and a successful racehorse owner.

The race was transferred to Phoenix Park and renamed the Phoenix Champion Stakes in 1984. Its present title was introduced in 1991, when the event returned to Leopardstown after the closure of its former venue.

The Irish Champion Stakes became part of the Breeders' Cup Challenge series in 2009. The winner now earns an automatic invitation to compete in the same year's Breeders' Cup Turf.[1]

The Irish Champion Stakes has become a very useful prep race for the remaining major races in the Autumn schedule such as the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe, Champion Stakes, Breeders Cup, Hong Kong International Festival and major Group 1 races in Japan. The 2016 edition of the race was possibly one of its strongest editions with eight out of 12 participants winning 17 career Group 1's between them prior to the race. The form of the race would later see four of the participants win further Group 1 honours by the end of the 2016 season, producing a first & second in that year's Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe, first and second in the Champion Stakes, the winner of the Queen Elizabeth II Stakes, and first and second in the Breeders' Cup Turf.

Winners of the Irish Champion Stakes have gone on to win the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe in the same season on five occasions: Carroll House (1989), Suave Dancer (1991), Dylan Thomas (2007), Sea The Stars (2009) and Golden Horn (2015), and a sixth Arc win was achieved when 2016 Irish Champion Stakes runner-up, Found, won the 2016 edition of the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe.

Winners of the Irish Champion Stakes have gone on to win the Champion Stakes in the same season on six occasions: Triptych (1987), Indian Skimmer (1988), Pilsudski (1997), New Approach (2008), Almanzor (2016) and Magical (2019). The race has produced two further winners of the Champion Stakes with the 1986 third, Triptych, and the 2010 third, Twice Over, subsequently winning the British race that season.

Participants in the Irish Champion Stakes have gone on to win several Breeders' Cup titles in the same season. This includes five winners of the Breeders' Cup Turf, with Irish Champion Stakes winners such as Daylami (1999), Fantastic Light (2001), High Chaparral (2003) achieving a season double, while 2015 Irish Champion Stakes runner-up, Found, and a 2016 participant, Highland Reel, found success in the respective season's edition. In 2006, third placed Ouija Board went on to win that season's edition of the Breeders Cup' Filly & Mares Turf.

Success has been also achieved in Japan where the Irish Champion Stakes winners, Stanerra (1983) and Pilsudski (1997) won the Japan Cup in the same season. Meanwhile, 2011 runner-up, Snow Fairy, gained compensation by winning that year's Queen Elizabeth II Commemorative Cup

Records
Most successful horse (2 wins):

Dylan Thomas – 2006, 2007
By:
elisjohn
When: 05 May 20 21:29
theres 10 top champion stakes for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rapgOeAFl
By:
elisjohn
When: 05 May 20 21:31
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rapgOeAFlk try this
By:
MJK
When: 05 May 20 21:31

May 5, 2020 -- 9:22PM, elisjohn wrote:


no im wrong seems it was 1990 , when elmammul won it


Yeah just racking my brain there, remember Indian Skimmer winning as well. I remember me and a mate cycling up for Commanche Run's race and watching it at the winning post(there was a gap in the rail over that side which some people used who just wanted to watch a race or two). Memories.

By:
foxy
When: 05 May 20 21:33
Did forest flower win the hienz 57 there or was that the Curragh ?

Or did she not win it
By:
MJK
When: 05 May 20 21:34

May 5, 2020 -- 9:31PM, elisjohn wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rapgOeAFlk try this


The Heinz races would give an idea of how quick the sprint track was. At one stage a very good horse of Dermot Weld's called Committed held the sprint record. Not sure if it was ever beaten.

By:
MJK
When: 05 May 20 21:37

May 5, 2020 -- 9:33PM, foxy wrote:


Did forest flower win the hienz 57 there or was that the Curragh ?Or did she not win it


The race was run there but the name was changed to the Phoenix Stakes. Beaten narrowly by Minstrella.

By:
foxy
When: 05 May 20 21:38
Didn’t committed win the cork and orrery?
By:
foxy
When: 05 May 20 21:40
Thanks mjk I remember it was a Sunday which was a novelty as we at the time didn’t race Sunday’s.had a feeling she might have got beat but wasn’t sure
By:
elisjohn
When: 05 May 20 21:41
watching those top 10 races, christ they were strong fields with some top class winners, not knocking sea the stars here but how was he given a 140+  for defeating his  field
By:
MJK
When: 05 May 20 21:45

May 5, 2020 -- 9:38PM, foxy wrote:


Didn’t committed win the cork and orrery?


Yes. Also the big sprint at York and the Abbaye(Steve Cauthen rode). Previously had finished third to Chief Singer in the July Cup. Definitely better over 5f than 6f. Some great sprinters around that era, Habibti another one.

By:
foxy
When: 05 May 20 21:48
Not long after the trilogy Marvell,sharpo and morestyle.
By:
foxy
When: 05 May 20 21:50
Elisjohn the Irish champion is almost always a cracking race even in recent years it’s been the highest rated race in the world on some occasions.
By:
elisjohn
When: 05 May 20 21:51
suave dancer mighty impressive
By:
foxy
When: 05 May 20 21:52
Watched him win from the old champagne bar at doncaster
By:
foxy
When: 05 May 20 21:55
Toulon for France won the st leger
By:
foxy
When: 05 May 20 21:56
Suave dancer had terrific speed for a middle distance horse
By:
windsor knot
When: 05 May 20 21:56
phoenix park memories ....they ran a hurdle race there in 1981. i kid you not .
By:
foxy
When: 05 May 20 21:59
Did you ever get there Windsor?
By:
MJK
When: 05 May 20 22:08

May 5, 2020 -- 9:56PM, windsor knot wrote:


phoenix park memories ....they ran a hurdle race there in 1981. i kid you not .


Didn't Willie Mullins ride the winner??

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