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Lets just remember one thing.
The mitigation/social distancing strategy modelled 250k deaths. The Lockdown strategy modelled around 20K deaths. If we get the testing sorted out, then we can start gradually ending lockdown. If we don't then we will be on lockdown longer until the peak is over and we can assess the downward curve. |
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The peak has got nothing to do with the lock down unless it breaches NHS capacity. That's what the strategy is.
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Why would we risk the NHS at capacity before re-introducing another "lockdown"? Would it not be more prudent to continue with the present "lockdown" until a clear, noticeable and sustained reduction in the number of new Covid-19 cases or deaths?
Once there is sufficient testing kits around for NHS staff and other key workers and possibly the public or even an antidote just around the corner then a lifting of "lockdown" could be prudently lifted, surely. |
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Why take any unnecessary risk if a positive result could be/is already possible given present measure? We are dealing with people's lives.
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I agree 100% Impossible. But what seems to be being put forward is that we stay in lock down until we have defeated this virus. It will never happen and in fact that will make it far worse. So I think by the end of April we will be on the downward curve. There will be no vaccine for 9/12 months.
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If the Gov don't release the lockdown sooner rather than later there will be lot of people with nothing to be released for and that in itself will cause deaths and unrest...
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If that's the case the financial aid package could/would be extended for a few more months possibly at a lesser generosity. The economy of a country can be rebuilt eg Japan and Germany, a lesser extent Singapore/S Korea; the people make a country, not the other way round eg Nigeria, with its enormous wealth, and also Covid-19 corruption at high levels. |
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I doubt that the people who have had their cancer treatment, heart operations etc stopped would agree that their are no capacity issues.
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been cleaning the block paving,have i missed much apart from isleham droning on about social distancing and people expressing a logical opinion?
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I like your avatar willie, didn't have you down as the religious type,very important to keep God on side imo.
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The UK have unlimited funds. Its called borrowing. The econemy will regain traction when needed.
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Which method did you go with Willie:
Chemical or salt and sand |
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non yet kv...ive been wire brushing the gaps clean by hand..in 2 x 3hr afternoons ive managed about 16 sq yds..still got about 16 sq yds to do and thats just the back..the front and sides are about 70 sq yds but no where as bad as the backs in the shade from lunchtime...looks well but of course the roots of the sh1te are still there..will need power blasting and salting/sanding when the diy shops are open.
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We have plenty of time on our hands at the moment so no rush...................
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aye a nah..im pacing myself in between dog walking and jogging...multi tasker
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I'm in between Belarussian foozball and drinking tea..........
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like to say the five oclock figures dont make sense.
yesterday they said there were only 4344 tests carried out with 3634 proving positive..84% but today they added another tests 19438 but only 5492 positives..28% so on a day on day basis how can those %s drop from 84 to 28 in consecutive days like i say that is totally illogical |
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. in wrong place.
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anyone with sense knew the oncoming economic recession would far outweigh
new positive cases very early this summer thoughts of a lockdown for months is nonsensical |
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and at 6000 posts a month i think someone else is doing more droning than anyone else
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I doubt that the people who have had their cancer treatment, heart operations etc stopped would agree that their are no capacity issues.--- No essential operations have been delayed. Non essential e,g Vasectomies will have been rescheduled but only to ensure there is extra capacity to meet possible demand. The idea that heart operations etc would have been stopped is ludicrous. Its just another huge exaggeration of the issue.
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wrong, I know someone personally that has had their cancer op cancelled ufn
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I also know of a person whose cancer treatment has been put on hold
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Urgent operations, including for cancer, have reportedly been cancelled and "unstable" patients sent home in order to free hospital space for coronavirus cases.
The incidents come amid fears that the NHS is preparing to announce widespread suspensions of routine care in order to cope with a flood of Covid-19 patients. In one case, a man from Kent due to undergo a double heart bypass operation on Monday was told last week that the procedure could not go ahead because staff needed to prepare for the virus. above, telegraph 4 weeks ago, bloke on the radio y'day and another on tv talking to sky asking whether they were being left too long and would die as a result |
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truehoncho
No essential operations have been delayed. Non essential e,g Vasectomies will have been rescheduled ____ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-52185829/coronavirus-concerns-delay-treatment-for-cancer-patient |
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Like the new Pic Dealer, reminds me of the 1980s and my mates car repair yard, he had an alsatian on a chain as a guard dog and apart from the owner Iwas the only one that could get near it !! Lovely dogs but a bit too big for me to take one on now. Thinking of a Border Terrier type size.
Certainly cost some money now to buy one from a Pup !! Some Terriers i was looking at online went from about £600 - £1000. !! ![]() FFS I got in the wrong game, should be running a Kennels. |
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its my daughters who is staying with us at the moment, he is a big unit of a dog, a big softie in the house but totally different when you have him out. doesn't like people coming toward you, have to take pockets full of cheese to distract him when he is out, its the only thing that works
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One thing they won't much fancy is coming out of lock down too soon and then seeing the numbers rise again and then having to re-implement a further lock down.
If they are concerned about peoples mental states, that is something that would really hurt. They'd much sooner keep an already in place lock down rather than bring another one back in, shutting business's all over again etc etc. |
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People going to die from not getting cancer treatments,muy mum can't go near a hospital till june 6th will be the same for 1000s.
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For Truehoncho.
Hundreds of dying cancer patients have had home visits by Marie Curie nurses cancelled as the coronavirus outbreak derails UK cancer research and forces hospitals to cancel treatments. Some cancer patients have even been asked to “make their own mind up” as to whether or not to continue with their treatment at hospitals battling to cope with rising numbers of Covid-19 cases. The terminal illness charity, Marie Curie, told The Independent it had been forced to cancel at least 155 visits to dying patients since Thursday last week because of a lack of protective equipment and staff shortages. Without home care services some patients and families may have no alternative but to go to hospital or call an ambulance. The UK lockdown has also hit fundraising activities with the charity sector predicting a £4bn loss. Chancellor Rishi Sunak is expected to announce more support for the charity sector later on Wednesday. Cancer Research UK has announced a £44m cut to its research this year because of a feared 25 per cent drop in income. Other patients have been told their treatments and surgeries are too risky while the virus is still spreading. There have been reports some patients have been told they will not be treated after being newly diagnosed with cancer while hospitals have cancelled or delayed appointments. NHS England has said hospitals should try to “ring-fence” services at private hospitals to continue diagnosing and treating cancer patients. In London cancer services across the capital are now being coordinated at a specialist “Cancer Hub” led by The Royal Marsden and University College London Hospitals. No huge exaggeration here. |
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just spoke to a good mate in jockland..hes just spoke to his mate who's a nurse in the itu at edinburgh royal infirmary..24 beds in the itu unit..18 currently occupied by c-19 patients..staff aint been tested..shortage of ppe...they been told prepare for a peak in the next 10 days..and this could last mths..
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a good mate .....
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evening noxo..you still riding your latex chick ?
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evening Willie, this jogging lark you're on, is this a new element of your keep fit regime during the lockdown, or have you always been a runner?
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always been fit..had a sabbatical 2016-2018 whilst i was too busy renovating the house im in now..started again last summer...3 nites 2-3 mile..now ive got the dog im walking about 3-4 mile ev day and gan for jog couple times a week.
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good stuff Willie,
So long as you're not one of these middle aged / ageing fellers who suddenly decide to embark on a vigorous exercise regime and give themselves a coronary ![]() |
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non drinker non smoker..still feel 21
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For Stewarts -- Marie Curie is not NHS. Its a cancer charity that relies on volunteers. The reason they have no staff is because they are self isolating (a lot of their volunteers are older). The reason they are losing income is because all charities are because of lock down and loss of jobs. All of the NHS have budgets and resources for all urgent surgery and treatment (or at least the same budgets as before which I have already said is woefully underfunded), that's what they are ring fencing. As far as the comment about asking to make a choice about treatment I will make enquiries but I have never heard this. As far as treatments being too risky they would be non urgent. Everyone wants to twist everything into COVID related issues when these are just normal run of the mill NHS issues that happen every year in the NHS especially during winter flu season. Non urgent operations are postponed or delayed. These are then classified as breaches and anyone can look that up. Its just now any breach is put down to Covid.
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