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His riding of AOB's charges has been far from satisfactory ove rthe last couple of years esp at Ascot and American; his dispatch to Aussie land to ride Ten Sovereigns instead of Ascot Champions Day could be the catalyst for a change. As such, how long will the 'Coolmore' boys persevere with his services? Last night with a little bit more jockeyship on Circus Maximus and Anthony Van Dyck the results could have been different - at least one.
This season he's been consistently put in his place by Dettori in almost every big race duel - out-ridden and out-thought eg Pink Dogwood, Sir Dragonet; last year at Ascot was nothing but abysmal.
This season he's been consistently put in his place by Dettori in almost every big race duel - out-ridden and out-thought eg Pink Dogwood, Sir Dragonet; last year at Ascot was nothing but abysmal.
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Impossible 123 the Ryan Moore cyber bully. for several years he relentlessly and exclusively criticises only Ryan Moore. Social media bullies should be outed and condemned.
They won't sack him - that would be admitting a mistake - but they could ease him out by not putting on the first choice.
No reason for him to leave of his own accord. There's nothing obvious for him over here. These days Stoute is nothing compared to Gosden/Appleby.
No reason for him to leave of his own accord. There's nothing obvious for him over here. These days Stoute is nothing compared to Gosden/Appleby.
Every chance a parting on mutual good terms citing would be used as freelance when possible in the short term and then they will turn to a Oisin Murphy type who is building up alot of international experience....
Dont think sacking him would be admitting a mistake at all.
A few years ago he was mustard, and definately the best jockey out there.
But the last couple of years he has certainley lost his edge and has gone severley backwards.
Dettori if anything has got better the last couple of years and is at the top of his game currently.
A few years ago he was mustard, and definately the best jockey out there.
But the last couple of years he has certainley lost his edge and has gone severley backwards.
Dettori if anything has got better the last couple of years and is at the top of his game currently.
Always a bit sad when a top pro is on the decline (irrespective of the sport).He is just going through the motions this year for some reason.APO'B's string maybe not vintage this year but Moore's riding has been nowhere near his own high standard.His display at the Derby meeting this year was as bad as you could envisage.
Just my opinion as I've no axe to grind with RLM.
Just my opinion as I've no axe to grind with RLM.
Still a Great Jockey but his luck has been stinking all Year....Murphy V Moore I would be with Moore all Day long.
For whatever reason his association with Coolmore/AOB has been disappointing over the last couple of years despite the turf "goodies" he was on eg The Gurkha (SJP), Order Of St George (Ascot Cup), Seventh Heaven (F$M), Pink Dogwood (Oaks), etc. I believe a disassociation could be the way forward for both entities.
Moore's no longer a betting proposition; the price of his mount is another negative for me - it does not truly reflect its chance.
Moore's no longer a betting proposition; the price of his mount is another negative for me - it does not truly reflect its chance.
They basically sacked Kinane for being told old,effectively admitted to a mistake with Spencer,got rid of Fallon for reasons which on the face of it had nothing to do with his riding,and,I think,Murtagh officially left of his own accord when it became obvious that Joseph would get the plum rides. What's the fifth variation ?
These days Moore is clearly inadequate when it comes to results ie he does not win races he ought/should have won - he makes too many unnecessary mistakes thro' a sheer lack of jockeyship and professionalism.
My own feeling is that Moore is still a better than average jockey,but I agree that is a come down from being obviously the best which he was some years ago. Not helped by Dettori's slightly surprising revival.
Too much emphasis on the jockey here imo. Moore doesn't ride for Gosden, simple as.
Think Colin Keane would be a great way to go for Coolmore - Young hungry for it - nearly keeping pace with Donnacha for the Irish championship despite not having the near the same quality horses to ride.
If I’m backing one from the yard I think, at the moment, I’d prefer to have Donnacha on board rather than Ryan..
Out of interest can anyone recall the last time we heard one of the racing media refer to Ryan as being the greatest jockey in the world?
Used to be a phrase that was wheeled out again and again, but I don’t seem to have heard it for quite some time now..
Out of interest can anyone recall the last time we heard one of the racing media refer to Ryan as being the greatest jockey in the world?
Used to be a phrase that was wheeled out again and again, but I don’t seem to have heard it for quite some time now..
Would agree with the above, prefer Donnacha on, it’s not longer a bad thing to have him booked imo.
As for best rider that’s got to be Frankie. Constantly right place right time, yes went too early in the Arc but I’d much rather see that than the bafoon on Sea of Class the year before
As for best rider that’s got to be Frankie. Constantly right place right time, yes went too early in the Arc but I’d much rather see that than the bafoon on Sea of Class the year before
A possible option has to be 1 more year of Donnacha and then Murphy imo.
Or Khadijah, remember her? Her 1st ride in public was a winner.
See impossible 123 has gone in again with his unceasing criticism/bullying of Ryan Moore. Despite all the current talk regarding social media bullying he is unrelenting, surprised the moderators have not got involved.
Think the general opinion now is moore is more likely to be a liability rather than an asset on a horse's back
has being poor of late and how can they keep him if he is no longer up to the job
"Moore doesn't ride for Gosden"
Gosden ain't stupid. He'd rather have Havlin than Moore - the former tries the latter could not give a damn.
Gosden ain't stupid. He'd rather have Havlin than Moore - the former tries the latter could not give a damn.
FELTFAIR • November 4, 2019 2:16 PM GMT
See impossible 123 has gone in again with his unceasing criticism/bullying of Ryan Moore. Despite all the current talk regarding social media bullying he is unrelenting, surprised the moderators have not got involved
Lol I think this is a bit silly. He's started a thread saying he doesnt think Ryan Moore is much good anymore. I think that's probably allowed on a racing forum.
See impossible 123 has gone in again with his unceasing criticism/bullying of Ryan Moore. Despite all the current talk regarding social media bullying he is unrelenting, surprised the moderators have not got involved
Lol I think this is a bit silly. He's started a thread saying he doesnt think Ryan Moore is much good anymore. I think that's probably allowed on a racing forum.
As long as he keeps riding to orders several more years
layingisthewayforward
Someone who criticises the same person relentlessly and incessantly for several years and never anyone else over and over again in my book is bullying and I will always speak out against bullies.
Someone who criticises the same person relentlessly and incessantly for several years and never anyone else over and over again in my book is bullying and I will always speak out against bullies.
What do you make of Moore’s decline though Feltfair?
BornToWin
I don`t share the "decline" view. Ballydoyle do not have the long list of Group 1 horses that they usually have. Frankie was in a slump until John Gosden saved his career with a procession of top class horses, was he in decline. I don`t think so.
Similarly I don`t think Tom Queally is in decline, since Frankel he just hasn`t had the opportunities.
Overall, constant criticism of jockeys I don`t agree with, I base all my opinions/selections on horses performance and if good enough all professional jockeys are capable of delivering a win.
I don`t share the "decline" view. Ballydoyle do not have the long list of Group 1 horses that they usually have. Frankie was in a slump until John Gosden saved his career with a procession of top class horses, was he in decline. I don`t think so.
Similarly I don`t think Tom Queally is in decline, since Frankel he just hasn`t had the opportunities.
Overall, constant criticism of jockeys I don`t agree with, I base all my opinions/selections on horses performance and if good enough all professional jockeys are capable of delivering a win.
Feltfair you're basically saying that jockeys are all good so therefore if a horse loses it's the horses' fault. Would that be right? While of course there are occasions when constant slagging can be ott, constant defending blatant cheating or poor rides is also wrong and only serves one purpose. Its also daft to think that jockeys don't make any difference. We see day after day bad jockeys costing a horse, a horse who is good enough to win.
We`ve had this conversation before, lets agree to disagree.
Nov 5, 2019 -- 12:29PM, FELTFAIR wrote:
We`ve had this conversation before, lets agree to disagree.
There's no problem with that, just can't understand how you can think that its always the horse's fault when it loses. It's also not always the jockeys fault either btw.
I don`t say it`s the horses fault if it loses I just think that on any given day the best horse inevitably wins given handicap mark,draw,trip,going etc irrespective of who is riding it.
^^^ in other words,Ryan Moore is neither a help/hinderence to a horse's chances.
Like all pro jockeys.
Like all pro jockeys.
Zenyatta was such a b!tch. Never helped Mike Smith one bit.
These stats are UK only Turf and AW. The a/e is the important stat as it takes into account how a horse ran against market expectations
Moore's strike rate from 2013 to 2017 was in excess of 20% and in 2017 it hit 24% with an ae ranging from .83 to 1
2018 strike rate 18% ae .76
2019 strike rate 16% ae .71
The man is in decline
FACT
Moore's strike rate from 2013 to 2017 was in excess of 20% and in 2017 it hit 24% with an ae ranging from .83 to 1
2018 strike rate 18% ae .76
2019 strike rate 16% ae .71
The man is in decline
FACT
mr combustible - I like your post 
and SR should only ever be combined with SP to get a significant interpretation?
and SR should only ever be combined with SP to get a significant interpretation?
He finished 10th on Magic Wand way behind Ill Paradiso another AOB's. It's becoming a common occurrence for him to finish behind another runner of AOB.
The disassociation is near, I believe.
The disassociation is near, I believe.
Ryan Moore can only do 8-6 absolute minimum which is why he rode Magic Wand. Il Paradiso carried 8-4 which is why Wayne Lordan had the ride.He can do 8-0 minimum.
Another example of impossible 123 having a go at Ryan Moore and showing his lack of racing knowledge.
Another example of impossible 123 having a go at Ryan Moore and showing his lack of racing knowledge.
IF the percentage of winners is negative from one year to the next then a large majority of current jockeys are in decline. I don`t think so.
Ryan Moore still winning Group 1 races for Aiden and Coolmore.
Moore could be Irish champion jockey this season without over-exerting himself, with Ger Lyons struggling for winners and Colin Keane not building up a good lead (yet).
"It was a masterclass," O'Brien said of Moore's steer. "What can you say about Ryan? He is confident, mature, dedicated, passionate; he has a great feel, he is very strong, he has everything. A great fella to work with which makes it all very special. He's a very good person and is focused. For us, it's a privilege to have him coming over here."
Says it all and hopefully will silence 123.
Says it all and hopefully will silence 123.
Never seen the fella riding better than he is now.
He's down to 18% now but that means very little at this stage of his career.
He's down to 18% now but that means very little at this stage of his career.
He'll ride for Coolmore as long as he wants to or decides himself it's time to go.
Think he definitely rides them more positively in the last couple of years and is very seldom seen too far off the pace which (in my opinion) has made a huge difference.
Riding at the top of his game the last 2 seasons.
Riding at the top of his game the last 2 seasons.
Ryan Moore he is not a "Machine" but not far off. His rides yesterday especially on Luxembourg *****
Yes Moore is possibly riding as well as he has ever done. The ride on Luxembourg was as good as it gets.
May 28, 2023 -- 9:41PM, punchestown wrote:
Think he definitely rides them more positively in the last couple of years and is very seldom seen too far off the pace which (in my opinion) has made a huge difference.Riding at the top of his game the last 2 seasons.
I made the same comment on here last season re up with the pace. Makes a big difference doing this rather than going down the Stoute road and holding them up and winning being a bonus after education.
driver2 29 May 23 11:36
You wouldn't know a decent jockey if you saw one. Fact.
I know,sorry…..ffs
99% horse,especially an O’Brien tuned to win…….
Helmet….
You wouldn't know a decent jockey if you saw one. Fact.
I know,sorry…..ffs
99% horse,especially an O’Brien tuned to win…….
Helmet….
MJK,
Your namesake was the master of that tactic of being either in or close to the vanguard in almost all of his races and it reaped a rich reward and Mick was the go-to jockey for Stoute and a lot of other trainers when he was available to ride either their first or second string in the G1 races.
He could have been stable jockey for any trainer in the world (many tried to lure him) but had a powerful relationship with Dermot Weld and loved being in Ireland and DKW allowed him off when a plum outside ride became available.
Your namesake was the master of that tactic of being either in or close to the vanguard in almost all of his races and it reaped a rich reward and Mick was the go-to jockey for Stoute and a lot of other trainers when he was available to ride either their first or second string in the G1 races.
He could have been stable jockey for any trainer in the world (many tried to lure him) but had a powerful relationship with Dermot Weld and loved being in Ireland and DKW allowed him off when a plum outside ride became available.
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