mass brawl at haydock park

lets av it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCPQZ1Le6dg

and ive had her son disappear for 4 weeks and the wife had to get him from hospital after being stabbed doing county lines in kent.

so dont give me the big one kev

his oat was like a sieve,2 inches closer he was dead

coat

perhaps youd like to meet someone like me

Thought it would asterix the n-word. See you in 3 months

Bloody hell Richie, have a nice holiday buddy.

10-4 moose

chav, I live in a small village with one shop and local people, we don't get many outsiders since the last one vanished without trace.

Where's John Wayne when you need him .

Kevo, you're far from being the only Royston Vaseyite poasting on hear.

Are local mouse?

yes, local

Bloody hell Richie, have a nice holiday buddy.

I vow to return more skint and delusional than ever before.

you probably done his head in and he got an uber

22:33 Sat nite, you've probably got 8 or 9 hours to sat something in mitigation.

*say

chav would find it strange here, not being local like.

if local implies happy shopper baked beans then thankfully im missing out.

They taste the same as heinz if you eschew the microwaving.

pony and traps welcome here chav, along with precious things.

ersatz baked beans would suffice without prior heating

thankfully we have him home now after indiscretions had him in pentonville for 9 months

but thanks kev for your input

9 months chav really, did he murder someone?

wish i lived in toytown

he was incarcerated with a couple of the hatton gardon lot,he told me a few stories but i cant remmber.

yesterday felt more like a summer crowd at haydock although as far as i am aware there were not to usual pis.ng behind bookmakers joints you get in the summer where haydock turn a blind eye,i could be the fact united and liverpool both did not play yesterday that saw a different crowd than normal national hunt fixtures at haydock,in the summer chesters crowd is much like the haydock crowd but the difference is chester has a police presence and make no mistake about it,it works.

We NEED Barry Hearn to take control of racing, this proves it AP Mccoy is right.

We need a classier type of individual going to the races, we need morons dressing up as wheres Wally and Teletubbies. We need more groups of single brain cell males goading and fighting each other and of course we need c unts chucking beer and spitting over the horses in the parade ring!

Betting and racing as an industry is so 'wholesome' in general of course, in comparison to people scrapping with one another

In all seriousness though, why are we surprised it attracts this rubbish? I agree though that police presence works though, for sure. The thugs scrapping don't usually bother if there's a copper stood near them.

Wasn't this sort of thing common in the inter-war period at Brighton in particular.

That was the race gangs salmon fighting over the territory as to who would be collecting the protection money. Darby Sabini's gang and the Birmingham mob which was still going on into the 1950s with Jack Spot and Albert Dimes. They would be the ones keeping order at the tracks!

chavman    16 Feb 19 22:02 
The wife’s niece is with the king of the pikeys in the east end,you’ll see him riding the pony and trap around Stepney.got that heavy I just moved Kevo

and that solved the problem? ydc

Slippy, Dulwich eh! Bit more salubrious than Brixton, if you live in the village that is.

Did some of our under-age drinking in the pub there,The Crown And Greyhound think it was.

In those days the Police knew how to police. My local was the Dolphin on Sydenham High St.

until one day a bobby stuck his head round the door, walked over to our table, looked us up

and down bouncing up and down on his heels with his hands behind his back,saying absolutely

nothing. He didn't have to. He turned and left and we never went back until old enough.

There was a pub in Penge,can't remember it's name but it wasn't far from the Police Station.

All the under-age drinkers in the area drank there and the police knew that. There would be a

motorcycle cop on the street at closing time. The landlord would shout 'Time boys and girls

please'! The police didn't interveen and there was no trouble.

As for the drunks at racecourses. Most of them arrive p....d and the racecourse serves them

even if they are falling over.The way the bars are set up, few chairs and tables large open

standing areas means that staff have no way of controlling that. The management's quite happy

with the situation The more booze sold the better.As I've said on other threads they aren't in

the horse racing business they are in the catering business. The courses have no-one else but

themselves to blame for these brawls.

re the other thread don't be to harsh ,these people are keeping racecourses alive,thats why there tolerated

I went to Lingfield park saturday summer meetings last year, punch ups are common, the same with newmarket july course, you have low paid staff,walking around with ghostbusters packs on there back topping you up, you don't even need to queue at the bar,
until someone is killed, and IT WILL HAPPEN, the racecourses will carry on trotting out the same old lines of,working with the police, lessons will be learned, isolated incident, bla bla bla...
The only way to try and stop it is,to ban coaches getting into the car park until an 30mins  before the first race, and you can only drink in the bars, no taking your drinks outside, and if you have to queue for 30mins to get a drink, then don't bother, go outside and watch the racing, you don't know what your missing, thats how it use to be.

Football is much harder to police but they manage it most of the time, despite being spread often across whole cities with fans.
Racing fans are all in one place so should be easy enough.

dambuster

i did not know they were called ghostbusters but yes your right there surely is no real need for them on racecourses and whilst they will not stop the whole problem it would be a start,and yes your right until somebody is killed the same lines will be trotted up.

foxy - I'm sure Haydock and Chester used to be run under the same banner . The difference at Chester is that they pack so many in you couldn't swing a cat or a punch . The first thing I realised yesterday was that Man Utd , Liverpool , Everton , Leeds nor Birmingham were playing .

dambuster - I used to cover the Friday evening meetings @ Newmarket . After the last it was straight to the car park and flee the scene lol . As for someone being killed , it has happened (Racegoer killed at both Newmarket and Newbury back in the 90's)and nothing has changed , just the usual rhetoric .

Personally luv a few drinks when im at the races.
Cider bar at Newton Abbot before and after the racing is great Fun

But that sort of behavior at Haydock is not acceptable.
Shouldn't be drinking if you cant handle your Alcohol.

Easy answer is to take their licences to sell alcohol off them after say a 3rd incident. Happens to pubs.

mouse muldoon    16 Feb 19 19:55 
Would you have it replaced with multiculture?


We live in a multicultural society now.

The bald bloke at the beginning swinging at air everytime

sparrow    16 Feb 19 18:49 
Absolute raving lunatics who can't handle alcohol. Pathetic.



Agreed. Notice the perpetrators ? were  all in shirtsleeves( on a winters day ) . Laddish thugs attire.

salmon spray • February 17, 2019 8:54 AM GMT
Wasn't this sort of thing common in the inter-war period at Brighton in particular.

It's actually quite comforting to know that the literary work of Graham Greene is still appreciated by many

SlippyBlue    16 Feb 19 20:27 
Feb 16, 2019 -- 8:21PM, roggrain wrote:

What's needed is a Police presence but, as on our streets, it isn't there. Why? Look to our Government which is interested in only one thing:corporate profit.

I live in South East London roggrain and apart from when I get a tube home and arrive at Brixton I could easily go say 6 months without seeing any police on the streets. Surely, especially on busy Saturday meetings/bank holiday meetings the racecourses could stump up for say 6 policemen walking around the track in pairs to keep order. It would hardly cost the tracks much and it would give the public some semblance of security. I stopped going to The July Course because of the gangs of drunks who had little if any interest in the racing. Just there to get hammered and little else.




What do you expect ? When May removes 20,000 plus police from the force, this is the price we pay !!

Feb 16, 2019 -- 9:44PM, chavman wrote:

I’ve had travellers

Winding up travellers isn't the best thing to do

They stop round my way a lot and are a great bunch, leave their rubbish all over the place but tbh its best just to clear it up after them and not bother getting in their faces about it

When I was a kid someone tried to steal from them..... safe to say their house wasn't standing after put it that way

these arnt drunken punch ups,these young lads fists are leathel weapons ,they train,there,re on the bags 7 days a week,it always ends with these lads raising their hands in victory like a boxer, at the end of this fight you see the young lad in a white shirt celebrating with his mate because he,s caught the big,baldy bloke in the black suit and tie who was throwing punches at the start,flush in the jaw

the racecourses are useless.

Just take a couple of them round the back and work them over proper.

They won’t come back and word will spread not to f uck about at the racecouce again.

5 minutes work and this won’t happen again.

who do you suggest walks up to these lads and takes them round the back

if your an average joe bloggs minding your own business and catch a right hook by mistake of one of these loons .,make no mistake your at risk of serious injury,even been killed, yoiur unconscious before you hit the floor and anything can happen

Make it a rule on a racecourse insurance policy, that all racecourses must have at least 20 police officers armed with pepper spray and stun guns at saturday meetings, otherwise racing cannot take place,or something along those lines.

But i'd rather have a rule where drinks only available at the bars and not to be taken outside.

Yes I read Brighton Rock in my teens Reynard.
The mixture of gangsterism and Catholicism struck me as a bit odd at the time but I am older and wiser now.
That and The Duke's Children by Trollope are the British literary novels that best cover horse racing. That I have read that is. Esther Waters has been sitting on my bookshelf unread for at least 15 years. Whether I'll ever get around to it now is doubtful tbh.

Brighton Rock maybe but have you read the true stories of the inter war years and the race gangs, salmon?

Come racing !! £36 to get in, bags searched for contriband, drunken idiots fighting with a few old guys to police them (security more interested with stopping you going in private areas) and hiked up bar prices.

to steal a quote from elsewhere
get used to it part and parcel of Saturday/festival days racing,

lets not forget drug use was involved yesterday and theres plenty on this forum want it legalising, should add to the atmosphere in future

lets not forget drug use was involved yesterday and theres plenty on this forum want it legalising, should add to the atmosphere in future


I would have thought many would want the old Jamaican old holburn legalised, but doubt they were on that yesterday and if they were they wouldn't have been too interested in fighting. I would love to know who the "plenty" are who would want the bravery powder legalised??

As I have said before about Haydock put all the piss heads in the centre of the course and let the proper racing fans watch from the stands Haydock is a great track its just 2 near Liverpool and Manchester I thought it might be bad with Liverpool Everton and Man U not playing betfair chase day in November was bad must have been at least 80% not interested in the racing

The so called " Security " team appeared next to useless. Only the odd one really interested in trying to secure situation. Police Officers are required at these big meetings.

Reynard it’s Bangor and Chester that come under the same banner

@roggrain

Think the pub you mean over from old police station was/is the Pawleyne Arms.
I used to frequent the snooker club up the lane beside the police station, great times

You go for the easy pink or tight brown james?

Tight brown every time

As uk courses go haydock is one of my favourites as is Chester but I rarely attend either these days at the weekend due to drunks & threat of violence.as for facts point about police numbers it would help if there weren’t so many police glued to the internet searching for hate crime.

Don't expect too many security guards to get in the way of a punch for minimum wage/ zero hour contract's etc.

GLASGOWCALLING    17 Feb 19 15:22 
Don't expect too many security guards to get in the way of a punch for minimum wage/ zero hour contract's etc.






Everything on the cheap in this country nowadays.

Hey roggrain, agree with your sentiment. I prefer to racing mid week these days to avoid the drunks.
Fyi the Dolhin is now

Hey roggrain, agree with your sentiment. I prefer to racing mid week these days to avoid the drunks.
Fyi the Dolhin is now

a rather nice gastro pub. The pub you speak of in Penge is the Pawleyne Arms; the police station has closed.

One of the causes is that we have become a namby pamby society constantly looking for excuses rather than coming down hard on perpetrators of apalling behaviour. These thugs need to be rounded up by the police ,taken to a soundproof room and beaten to within an inch of their life before being released back to their maters who will then have evidence of what will happen to them if they misbehave. Scum don't understand anything other than violence and once they've been on the receiving end they'll be much more nclined to toe the line and keep their (broken) noses clean.

Shouldn't be allowed off the course until they mucked out all the stables. Shovels not provided.

I blame The F.A Cup.

No Premier League action for the Yobs.

Feb 17, 2019 -- 7:21PM, posy wrote:

One of the causes is that we have become a namby pamby society constantly looking for excuses rather than coming down hard on perpetrators of apalling behaviour. These thugs need to be rounded up by the police ,taken to a soundproof room and beaten to within an inch of their life before being released back to their maters who will then have evidence of what will happen to them if they misbehave. Scum don't understand anything other than violence and once they've been on the receiving end they'll be much more nclined to toe the line and keep their (broken) noses clean.

What?

You think the police will touch this lot? your looking at the future in that video, cops and security no longer have the training methods under wraps for a start

These lads look fit, healthy and quick imo, cops wouldn't have been much cop yesterday judging by that scuffle

No chance of police they will be doing proper police work looking for people doing 31 mph on their way home from work + at least 30 plods are at my local fracking plant per day about 25 miles from Haydock

we have the government we deserve...hopefully rees-moggs moat is ok.

im leaving the country if JRM ever gets in ffs whats it all come to

As regards the racing at weekends in recent memory ive attended past two Ebors on a Saturday where far too many people who were in attendance were off their t1ts - wiv no plods in site - went to toon fixture on eve of Plate fixture last summer where there was a very healthy crowd but also a very visible police presence - maybe that was becos of the likelihood of bother after the racing due to band being on but plenty grog was drunk and yet not an ounce of bother

Every young era's the same all have dust ups, 50's rocky's 60's mods 70's punks 80's romatics 90's ravers etc... only difference is today everybody got a phone in hand.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ You missed out the Skinheads

80's romatics

aye, bunch of Boy George lookalikes taking on all comers

Yes imagine them with their Doc's martin's boots on a racecourse

When Paul weller wrote ' The smell of brown leather it blended in with the weather' happened most weekends but nobody filmed it

When Paul weller wrote ' The smell of brown leather it blended in with the weather' happened most weekends but nobody filmed it

Now it's filmed 'That's entertainment'

Now it's filmed 'That's entertainment'

Straight from the bar- don't make them like that anymore- sad times. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KObNG4B_yuo

Catford. So the Dolphin is now a 'gastro-pub' My old man's turning in his grave!

Hope 'The Lion' across the street hasn't changed.

Sad that Catford dogs are no more. (I was out of the country for 35 years so I'm still catching

up on this stuff).

The Lion has changed, its all wooden floors and sofas, sells a lot of craft ale too.

The Man of Kent shut many years ago.

The Railway is now called the Pavillion.

The car park at the Greyhound has been developed with flats and the developers 'accidently' knocked the pub down.

Sydenham Society got a court order against them and they had to rebuild it buts its a smaller pub.

Not sure if it was on yesterday but as a regular Haydock attender, they had a promotion throughout last year of £2 a pint up till an hour before the first race.

Surely that is wholly irresponsible, people stacking up 4 pints each before racing had even begun.

Equine flew worse that that last year on a summer Saturday pretty sure it was the day England beat Sweden Haydock had a bring your own Prosecco day there were people swigging it out of litre size bottles not sure how things would have panned out if England had of lost.

Thanks lovegod. I'm shellshocked! They say you should never go back. They are right! I shaln't.

I was there that day Foxy, it was quite warm as well, so agree the wrong result could have been a disaster

Why don't they have drug sniffer dogs at the big meetings like they do at Royal Ascot?

Would end up with not enough jockeys to ride the horses

dambuster, drug dogs have been on the gates at Haydock for the last 12 months.