Best jockey in the world

Couldn't get his hands sorted out inside the final furlong.

Didn't use his whip till 150 yards out then swaps hands twice in the last 100 yards.

Took him an age to draw his whip in the first place...stronger jockey won the race.

He is NOT the "best jockey" in the world and the sooner myopic commentators stop saying that and save themselves the embarrassment the better.  Where is the empirical evidence that supports the claim? 

He is simply a very good jockey.  That is undeniable.

might have been (certainly top 3) a few years ago
but @ 34 (35 later in sept) he is firmly on the wrong side of the ageing curve for jockeys

he's ridden in lower grade races with a couldn't give a flying fck attitude for years

Personally I’m not sure he’s even a good jockey anymore let alone any better than that....

He's not the best in this country let alone the world.

I wouldn’t even say he was in the top 5 in this country.

Sep 7, 2018 -- 2:17PM, granitjack wrote:

I wouldn’t even say he was in the top 5 in this country.

agree

Lee is just as bad.

not even the best in his family

wondersobright,
I agree with your view wholeheartedly.  I have come to the conclusion for a while now, that given the price his mounts invariably go off at, it has become quite risky backing Moore's mount on midweek cards (if he is ever there) He seem to ride a significant number of races with abject disinterest.  One gets the feeling he simply can't be asked to be there.

Outridden again by the stronger Joey Haynes

And there we have it. If I hear one more time what a sensational jockey this guy is I will hit somebody.

He's no K Fallon in a driving finish

if you have a look at ryan's worldwide group1 s, say compared to SDS....

These days I’d rather have SDS on board any day of the week.

SDS is on a different planet to Moore.

Poor mans JD Smith.

ryan's below par this season i agree. could be anything. personal problems etc. But a quick lok at wiki will tell you ryan has won more g1s in france than sds has ridden anywhere, uk included combined.

I still think he is one of the greatest.

That's because nobody gives SDS any G1 rides. He would have won on all of Moore's and some of the ones he lost.

it's a bit like football bilbo, if you're the best you get to play for barca and real madrid. You cant play for leicester and say yeah but if i was in barca's team i'd be top scorer :/

I think Ben Curtis is one of the best.

yes he seems pretty relaible

curtis is v good

its not all bad news if moore is considered the best or one of the best ,your probably at little if any disadvantage betting agaimnst him and in most cases getting a premium for doing so

with jockeys, to judge their ability accurately you simply have to discount properly for the horses they are riding

otherwise its pointless imo

jockey riding top horses does not mean top jockey imo, its more that the jockey has convinced enough important people that he/she is a top jockey

I'm not doubting that he used to be very good but the key words are 'used to be'.

well oisin has got the tin man ride because he's riding superbly. They didnt go for sds ;)

it's a bit like football bilbo, if you're the best you get to play for barca and real madrid. You cant play for leicester and say yeah but if i was in barca's team i'd be top scorer :/

Not sure you're comparing like with like there, Fear.

take Seamus Heffernan for example, away from O'Brien, he's a low % journeyman jockey (imo), can often be spotted out the back of the telly, shuffling along, riding for the likes of Denis Hogan, but funnily enough, give him chances on them O'Brien bluebloods and suddenly he's a top jock, getting all the plaudits going.

you're writing him offon  one season. for all we know he might be arguing with his missus everynight. still the best on his day imo. although i agree the everyday stuff is not for him.

I backed Austrian school the other day and wasn't that happy to see moore replace mcdonmald, if you,d have backed a horse in the past and any of mercer,piggot,eddery,carson,frankie,fallon etc had come in for the ride you,d have been doing cartwheels down the street

fair point george. Some owners and trainers prefer a lesser jock who's on the 'team'. same with gosden and havlin.

I'll admit I backed him in the first two races at Ascot and I don't think I'm exaggerating to say he should (and another better jockey would) have won on both. No doubt Sextant will win and Lydia Hislop et al will be eulogising again.

its more than 1 ssn imo
and besides when jockeys are the wrong side of 30 the axe comes pretty quick with me when I think they're past it

Spot on 1st Time - I see Moore and I despair.

Ryan is best of the best.

big test on a 2/7 shot here

Bilbo I just had a look at that ride in the first.....You cannot be serious.

They're not machines.

Ha ha brilliant

Excellent jockey vs jockey that isn’t bothered...only 1 winner

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might have been (certainly top 3) a few years ago
but @ 34 (35 later in sept) he is firmly on the wrong side of the ageing curve for jockeys"

Disagree about the age thing, jockeys often at their best at late 30s imho

Desperately poor.

What the fcuk is wrong with this moron!

I think any other jockey would've challenged on the outside

Speechless.

Best jockey in the world dropped his whip

needs 2 whips never mind throwing the one he has away,

I hate it when they challenge up the inside.

And what need was there to do that? None!

Short of room in a 2 horse race on a track as wide as Ascot - unbelievable..

Lyds harping on about horse wanting it more, jock wanted it more too. Ryan never been as good as made out to be, now embarassingly bad.

Best way to imtimidate your own mount. Squeeze it up on the rail. And just to showcase your skills throw your whip away.

Disagree about the age thing, jockeys often at their best at late 30s imho
evidence of this please

and define "at their best"
(won't accept riding more winners or better horses/more group winners as evidence of them being "at their best"
as this often happens as jockeys get older, perceived trust in them is higher by trainers, which is a phenomenon that masks the ageing curve

Jamie Spencer is the best in the world

poor Ryan is getting a bashing from the betfair forumites,i remember one time the same forumites said a certain useless plod horse named Annie Power would could not run or jump

Annie Power was brilliant - Ryan Moore is not.

watch Ryan go in the next race.

now whats that song Tina TURNER sings?

The Plumber couldn't lace Ryan's Boots.....Not no how.

correct brassneck

Bullingdon with The Maestro aboard here.

keep thinking nows the time to start backing his mounts blind in multiples deluge of winners due,but that's 18 months worth of stakes I,ve saved, , since I started pondering it

Keep following Doyle you can’t go wrong the oracle was at his best again there lol asleep until it was tooo late!

Jockeys the only sportspeople not allowed to have an off day.

maybe not. Is he just on cr@p horses or what?

Sep 7, 2018 -- 3:55PM, granitjack wrote:

Keep following Doyle you can’t go wrong  the oracle was at his best again there lol asleep until it was tooo late!

amazing that some people still slag him!! those people will never be won over though imo

He has an off day every day? When did he last have a good one? Doyle and SDS are in a different league to that guy. Can’t see him keeping that job at Ballydoyle much longer....Donaccha is better than him and even Seamie can’t be far off now!

Agree wonder. Imo Doyle is the best flat jockey in the country at the moment. SDS a close 2nd but the pair of them are way beyond anyone else riding here....

Ben Curtis is superb. Will get a top job soon.

Then what is your criteria for being at their best, if it is not more winner, better strike rate, better record in group races, etc ?

Best jockey wins again where was Moore?!

Had James Doyle been given the same opportunities throughout his career instead of Moore, he would have had far more success than Moore. To think he almost gave the game up to become a plumber.

Donaccha is better than him and even Seamie can’t be far off now!

Heffernan is a proper "job" jockey

Ryan Moore has accumulated over £29 million in prize money over the last 5 years in the UK alone, no other jockey riding in Europe has come anywhere near that.

equine...any criteria that adequately accounts for a jockey's opportunity

more winners, better strike rates, better record in group races etc
none of them adequately do this

you could tell if piggot went home after 5/6 losses on fancied horses the cat could be seen getting into a taxi,

Jack Bauer - summed up perfectly

That is a hard thing to quantify womder.

Hughes, Crowley, SDS, Cauthen, Fallon, Roberts, all won their jockeys championship the wrong side of 34 and were argueably at their best.

Frankie and Eddery and Piggott where all better jockeys over 34 imho.

I am not sure you see any decline until 40 at least

yep I wasn't suggesting it was easy to quantify

but jockeys championship (with v few exceptions) are pretty much decided by who has the highest number of expected winners in a ssn
that's all they are despite what some people will have you believe

anything like the whitley figures or winners v expectation figures are a reasonable attempt at discounting for opportunity imo
not perfect but show me a method that is

if you plot the ages of jockeys who are in the top 20 (on these figs) then you won't see many the wrong side of 30
particularly over jumps when injuries have kicked in

and this is professional jockeys I am referring to
not apprentices/conditionals

How many winners has Doyle had now today?

his critics must be out digging the road