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chester bet who for those who dont know use bookmakers sp prices then take %10 off when paying the punters,not happy with that greed they have now taken to walking around the betting rings with hand held machines taking bets in front of the noses of the racecourse bookmakers i have no doubt however the associations will be right on to this with the full force of the power they have.
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Got to be mad to go to Chester races vote with your feet stay away 90% go for a pis s up they are not interested in betting
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@Foxy
Depends how you view it. The racecourse earns the 10%, which means better facilities, lower entrance fee's, better races put on, staff paid higher wages. Or you could of course just have the SP and some fat cat bookmaker gets richer. Also Chester Bet don't reject a bet, so if you wanted 5K on something very close to the off, you could, yes you lose 10% of the SP price if it wins, but the alternative is not getting the bet on. Bookmakers by moving abroad, and all that have ruined the Levy, and the removal of the tote where 23% of the profits went to the racecourses, had led for years in the downgrade of races and facilities on a course. If it is brought in that the only way to bet on course, is via this course owned 10% shops and it benefits the course and so on, I don't have a problem with it. After all most punters who aren't happy about the course earning 10% will simply, just use their phone to bet online. |
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thanks for that advice you must feel very strong about that as on average you only post your opinion 9 times a year.
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domino
what has moving overseas got to do with racecourse bookmakers regarding the lower cost entry i think cost to go in tatts yesterday was around £40 clearly chester have no intention of passing it down that way. |
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@Foxy
Racecourse bookmakers only pay the admission price x an amount to trade there. That is not beneficial to the racecourse these days tbh. Chester has always been expensive to visit but is a lovely course, one of my favs, but I would never go in Tatts. There is a simple solution. Bring back the tote, ban on course bookmakers, and put up a 4G block out on the site, and sell use of wifi for say £20. That way anyone wishing to not use the tote to bet on course, can do at a cost of £20 , otherwise the use a tote, which generates income for the course. |
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I only bet on the Tote Chester have done away with it so you have no choice They had caterers for years but decided to do away with them and do it themselves to make more money and charging £40 for tatts is a scandal come racing what a joke
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i would say each bookmaker in tatts yesterday would have paid around £400 to bet one may come on to confirm exact amount how is that not beneficial ?
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Foxy,don't waste your time.
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Chester done away with the Tote because at the time the Tote was owned by Betfred, and NO profits from the tote were going to racecourses, the 23-25% deduction was going to Betfred, no one else, so it was not beneficial. That is why they created Chester Bet and so on, to try and generate the course money.
If an old Tote facility was reintroduced where 23% of the profits went back to the racecourse, I have no doubt that Chester Bet would stop and the Tote would reappear. I don't know how many bookmakers there are on a track paying £400 but let's say there is 20, so that is £8000. I would imagine that 10% all the winning bets on the track would be more than £8000 so I would suggest they feel Chester Bet is a better earner for the course. |
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good advice ribero
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the cost for the bookmakers badge was £227 plus £41 for each worker plus the annual marketing fee of £150 ~ that is obviously before wages and petrol and computer support etc etc
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thanks rlyl i should think dominos presumption that there would be around 20 bookmakers on track yesterday would be out by around 100
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Really Foxy, never realised there were so many bookmakers on course.
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yes there are loads of them domino and would you believe many use whats called a tracker so rather than using there brain they let a computer system do everything for them,at the cost of knackering things up for other bookmakers and with the potential of costing other books there data money as well as upsetting punters when they think they have had 6/1 but the slip comes out at 11/2 as the bookmaker is not in control of his prices ,some would you believe just give them there money back instead of laying the 6/1,i am surprised the racecourses stand for it as it will in the end chase people away from the racecourse.
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It's surprising racecourse bookies aren't more appreciated. Definitely a big part of the raceday experience. Youse shd go on strike.
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Chester bet, Ripon bet or whatever they're called...all a total f**king joke. Most of the mugs at Chester haven't got a clue anyway.
Domino mentions being able to get on so that's ok. Who wouldn't lay £5K at SP less 10%? Anyone would, you'd be making 15p in the £ (at least). Loved going racing pre betfair where you could get a decent bet on with the books. It was a battle of opinions. Rightly or wrongly it's all changed now. No one says it but was easier as a punter pre betfair if you put the time in as at least you could get on. |
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joe i think it was easier as a punter before exchanges.regarding the 5k bets they were forming a q at chesterbet to get there 5k on.
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If it's true that they have no limits, wouldn't they be there for the taking by insiders with a 50% edge?
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sounds like come racing and get fleeced in all ways possible
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talk about dog eat dog, the roman amphitheatre just 5 mins away as well. ... spooky.
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well , at least we can deduce that domino14 has never been to chester racecourse and has never donated anything to any source there
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@Adge
Rode at Chester many a times and was there at the May meeting in O&T with mates who had a runner, which won ! (didn't have a penny on). I didn't have a bet on track all day though. |
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on a positive note I believe the tracker system will be obsolete by boxing day
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imo Chester racecourse don't do anything that doesn't line the pockets of Chester Racecourse. Greediest racecourse by a country mile. I'm surprised they don't have mandatory shaking upside down of the public upon leaving the course to make sure they've had every penny.
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Rlyl....interesting prediction as the main culprits of your tracker either dont use it anymore or have moved on.....so it may have been a pointless exercise.....more pressing things ro contend with atm regarding some of these courses.....ps...had to piss myaelf laughing at domino....some great jokes in there lol
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I go to Chester quite a few times a year and put my placepots etc on before I go in and then walk around the ring and back with the bookies on the course. They say the money they make on Chesterbet is ploughed back into the course and to be quite honest you can see the evidence all around.
The scruffy pub outside is gone and the whole place is looking wonderful, most of the people backing in fivers and tenners are not arsed about Chesterbet and probably don't even know the Tote left years ago. |
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dodger
the main culprits have moved on htf |
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hif
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foxy.....on our system since the changes were implemented to stop our main culprit from abusing the system(like he did with the each way terms)..all hes done is do it all manually.....has it stopped him.....no....in fact hes worse now than he was before...some on our system have stopped using it(any on rdt?)...the main reason this was raised was because certain rdt users couldnt compete with him at less than half a % a runner....so moving forward what would you suggest...as banning it certainly wont stop him...as he hasnt used it since the changes.
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ban ban ban its as simple as that to say he is the only culprit is crap there are loads out there.
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one of my points earlier was that punters are getting a different price than they thought they were and some dont honour that price in the end the racecourse will lose punters,also the issue with data rights.
can you tell me what pluses there are for the industry with this system ? |
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The only person I know of that doesn't honour a price immediately after a price change is the person the standard EW terms were introduced for to stop abuses of the public. Maybe its an issue on RDT?
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you must only know decent books wasnot.
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foxy....i never said he was the only culprit....worst abusers now on rdt.....regarding honouring a price....when i used auto odds you had a time delay so the punter always got the price(5/10 second delay) now rdt have or had no delay....thats where the problem lies
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as i dont even know how to set it up dodger i am happy to take your word about the two systems been different ,i still dont know how it helps the industry.
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Heard he took 16k at Beverley last sunday for a profit of 285,dread to think what the pay out queues were like.
Feeding 16k back on to here far bigger offence imo. |
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anyway back to the point about this thread are the associations happy about chester bet walking around the betting rings with hand held betting devices will they challenge it or will they just bend over and ask how far ?
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Fair point foxy,especially after they have just trousered the marketing fee at 150 a pop.
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Wheels in motion foxy. Come and see me at the races.
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