chester bet

Got to be mad to go to Chester races vote with your feet stay away 90% go for a pis s up they are not interested in betting

@Foxy

Depends how you view it.

The racecourse earns the 10%, which means better facilities, lower entrance fee's, better races put on, staff paid higher wages.

Or you could of course just have the SP and some fat cat bookmaker gets richer.

Also Chester Bet don't reject a bet, so if you wanted 5K on something very close to the off, you could, yes you lose 10% of the SP price if it wins, but the alternative is not getting the bet on.

Bookmakers by moving abroad, and all that have ruined the Levy, and the removal of the tote where 23% of the profits went to the racecourses, had led for years in the downgrade of races and facilities on a course.

If it is brought in that the only way to bet on course, is via this course owned 10% shops and it benefits the course and so on, I don't have a problem with it.

After all most punters who aren't happy about the course earning 10% will simply, just use their phone to bet online.

thanks for that advice you must feel very strong about that as on average you only post your opinion 9 times a year.

domino

what has moving overseas got to do with racecourse bookmakers regarding the lower cost entry i think cost to go in tatts yesterday was around £40 clearly chester have no intention of passing it down that way.

@Foxy

Racecourse bookmakers only pay  the admission price x an amount to trade there. That is not beneficial to the racecourse these days tbh.

Chester has always been expensive to visit but is a lovely course, one of my favs, but I would never go in Tatts.

There is a simple solution.

Bring back the tote, ban on course bookmakers, and put up a 4G block out on the site, and sell use of wifi for say £20. That way anyone wishing to not use the tote to bet on course, can do at a cost of £20 , otherwise the use a tote, which generates income for the course.

I only bet on the Tote Chester have done away with it so you have no choice They had caterers for years but decided to do away with them and do it themselves to make more money and charging £40 for tatts is a scandal come racing what a joke

i would say each bookmaker in tatts yesterday would have paid around £400 to bet one may come on to confirm exact amount how is that not beneficial ?

Foxy,don't waste your time.

Chester done away with the Tote because at the time the Tote was owned by Betfred, and NO profits from the tote were going to racecourses, the 23-25% deduction was going to Betfred, no one else, so it was not beneficial. That is why they created Chester Bet and so on, to try and generate the course money.

If an old Tote facility was reintroduced where 23% of the profits went back to the racecourse, I have no doubt that Chester Bet would stop and the Tote would reappear.

I don't know how many bookmakers there are on a track paying £400 but let's say there is 20, so that is £8000. I would imagine that 10% all the winning bets on the track would be more than £8000 so I would suggest they feel Chester Bet is a better earner for the course.

good advice ribero

the cost for the bookmakers badge was £227 plus £41 for each worker plus the annual marketing fee of £150 ~ that is obviously before wages and petrol and computer support etc etc

thanks rlyl i should think dominos presumption that there would be around 20 bookmakers on track yesterday would be out by around 100

Really Foxy, never realised there were so many bookmakers on course.

yes there are loads of them domino and would you believe many use whats called a tracker so rather than using there brain they let a computer system do everything for them,at the cost of knackering things up for other bookmakers and with the potential of costing other books there data money as well as upsetting punters when they think they have had 6/1 but the slip comes out at 11/2 as the bookmaker is not in control of his prices ,some would you believe just give them there money back instead of laying the 6/1,i am surprised the racecourses stand for it as it will in the end chase people away from the racecourse.

It's surprising racecourse bookies aren't more appreciated. Definitely a big part of the raceday experience. Youse shd go on strike.

Chester bet, Ripon bet or whatever they're called...all a total f**king joke. Most of the mugs at Chester haven't got a clue anyway.

Domino mentions being able to get on so that's ok. Who wouldn't lay £5K at SP less 10%? Anyone would, you'd be making 15p in the £ (at least).

Loved going racing pre betfair where you could get a decent bet on with the books. It was a battle of opinions. Rightly or wrongly it's all changed now. No one says it but was easier as a punter pre betfair if you put the time in as at least you could get on.

joe i think it was easier as a punter before exchanges.regarding the 5k bets they were forming a q at chesterbet to get there 5k on.

If it's true that they have no limits, wouldn't they be there for the taking by insiders with a 50% edge?

sounds like come racing and get fleeced in all ways possible

talk about dog eat dog, the roman amphitheatre just 5 mins away as well. ... spooky.

well , at least we can deduce that domino14 has never been to chester racecourse and has never donated anything to any source there

@Adge

Rode at Chester many a times and was there at the May meeting in O&T with mates who had a runner, which won ! (didn't have a penny on). I didn't have a bet on track all day though.

on a positive note I believe the tracker system will be obsolete by boxing day

imo Chester racecourse don't do anything that doesn't line the pockets of Chester Racecourse.  Greediest racecourse by a country mile.  I'm surprised they don't have mandatory shaking upside down of the public upon leaving the course to make sure they've had every penny.

Rlyl....interesting prediction as the main culprits of your tracker either dont use it anymore or have moved on.....so it may have been a pointless exercise.....more pressing things ro contend with atm regarding some of these courses.....ps...had to piss myaelf laughing at domino....some great jokes in there lol

I go to Chester quite a few times a year and put my placepots etc on before I go in and then walk around the ring and back with the bookies on the course. They say the money they make on Chesterbet is ploughed back into the course and to be quite honest you can see the evidence all around.

The scruffy pub outside is gone and the whole place is looking wonderful, most of the people backing in fivers and tenners are not arsed about Chesterbet and probably don't even know the Tote left years ago.

dodger

the main culprits have moved on

htf

hif

foxy.....on our system since the changes were implemented to stop our main culprit from abusing the system(like he did with the each way terms)..all hes done is do it all manually.....has it stopped him.....no....in fact hes worse now than he was before...some on our system have stopped using it(any on rdt?)...the main reason this was raised was because certain rdt users couldnt compete with him at less than half a % a runner....so moving forward what would you suggest...as banning it certainly wont stop him...as he hasnt used it since the changes.

ban ban ban its as simple as that to say he is the only culprit is crap there are loads out there.

one of my points earlier was that punters are getting a different price than they thought they were and some dont honour that price in the end the racecourse will lose punters,also the issue with data rights.

can you tell me what pluses there are for the industry with this system ?

The only person I know of that doesn't honour a price immediately after a price change is the person the standard EW terms were introduced for to stop abuses of the public.  Maybe its an issue on RDT?

you must only know decent books wasnot.

foxy....i never said he was the only culprit....worst abusers now on rdt.....regarding honouring a price....when i used auto odds you had a time delay so the punter always got the price(5/10 second delay)  now rdt have or had no delay....thats where the problem lies

as i dont even know how to set it up dodger i am happy to take your word about the two systems been different ,i still dont know how it helps the industry.

Heard he took 16k at Beverley last sunday for a profit of 285,dread to think what the pay out queues were like.
Feeding 16k back on to here far bigger offence imo.

anyway back to the point about this thread are the associations happy about chester bet walking around the betting rings with hand held betting devices will they challenge it or will they just bend over and ask how far ?

Fair point foxy,especially after they have just trousered the marketing fee at 150 a pop.

Wheels in motion foxy.  Come and see me at the races.

how can bookmakers pay all that money and then get treated like that,they can take those terminals everywhere and probally do,they will be tapping people on  the shoulder whilst having a p**s next to try to take more money,i have noticed at cheltenham not with the tote and terminals but they now have bookmakers everywhere,i am surprised they do not line the walkway towards the entrances and they keep charging you bookmakers more

somebody once said to me ribero what do you get for your marketing fee i said i dont know they replied a receipt .

well we never even got one of those on saturday.

will do wasnot thanks for the reply.

Focus on sprint Hcaps. Give serious consideration to top weight/low draw.

did you challenge them when in the betting ring , foxy , and ask on what authority they had to be there.
would be interested in what they said. worth bringing up at our AGM a week on sunday.
" will the associations challenge it "...well they won't until someone brings it to their attention....
i'll put it on our pre agm meeting agenda

perhaps while the wheel is in motion perhaps chesterbet could be asked for a fee for using racecourse bookmakers prices.

It was reported to the BRM adge who advised them that they mustn't approach bookmakers' customers.

adge

brm geoff the west brom fan challenged them.

can i then bring to your attention the situation at hereford tatts the number is 27 yet 3 pitches no longer there due a condemmed stand,yet plenty of room for the 3 to be moved to tatts.

I've sent you a PM on here re Chesterbet foxy

thanks wasnot the way i navigate the internet carrier pigeon would have been quicker.

REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE AGM A WEEK ON SUNDAY,ADGE MAKING IT CRYSTAL IN THE POST ABOVE THAT NOTHING WILL BE DONE UNLESS YOU BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE ASSOCIATIONS , CANT WAIT TO HEAR THE DIRECTORS EXPLAIN THEIR OUTRAGEOUS ACTIONS AND BLATANT SELF INTEREST REGARDING THE PONTY SITUATION,WHEN THEY ACTED WITHOUT ANY MANDATE FROM MEMBERS AND BENEFITED PERSONALLY FROM THE OUTCOME,I HOPE I DONT HAVE TO "PUT IT ON THE AGENDA" TO GET AN EXPLANATION,WHICH I BELIEVE ALL MEMBERS INCLUDING MYSELF ARE DUE!

It would seem that it has not been appreciated that chesterbet can actually charge more than SP less than 10% at their own discretion.The rules state that other advertised deductions can be charged.On course bookmakers have to adhere strictly to the Gambling Commission's requirement to display clearly and prominately their terms of trade but it would appear that the racecourse is not obliged to adhere to this requirement and so they are able to rip off their customers.Come on GC do something about this outrage.

was unaware of that chatto as you say come on gc do something about this outrage.

It is outrageous.  A bookmaker is a bookmaker.  Rules cannot apply to one and not the other.

Factmachine tends to be the scourge master of what he considers to be outrageous behaviour in our sport so what does he think about Chesterbet

^ THE CAPITALS WOULDN'T FIT ON THE PAGE!

not easy to get hold off the gc working hours now just 11am until 4pm

Foxy, is there any way the Chester books can display the rip off terms of Chesterbet, thereby making the public aware they're being shafted? :)

That should have said Foxy/Wasnot! :)

Go to every Chester meeting ,but never pay to go on just watch from the Walls.......can't stand the stupid people in the county stand.....and the view is lousy.........still I think it's an excellent betting track...

We are not allowed to advertise the truth dodger

Re the tracker.  Who's going to ban it ?  I can't be the racecourse because that would, I'm sure, fail competition law as the racecourse is also providing betting facilities with Britbet.

The racecourses will do exactly as they please until they get challenged IanP.  What is going on at Chester is a disgrace but until they are challenged and told they can't do whatever they like it will carry on and on and get worse and worse.

. All bets on
UK and Irish horse racing are settled at ‘racecourse price’
returns. The racecourse price (RP) is calculated by taking
the industry wide Starting Price, less a maximum 10%
facility fee. On specific days, or individual races, this facility
fee may vary

Taken from Chesterbet rules
So basically they can impose any deduction they wish

All racecourse bookmakers have to adhere to the GC rules concerning fairness and transparency of our terms of trade which we are all in agreement with.However Chesterbet which is operating as a bookmaker fail to adhere to the fundamental principles of the GC in several respects.Firstly their rules are displayed in very small print and secondly they can change their deductions at any time and their own discretion.We can all help our cause by contacting the GC and asking why Chesterbet is allowed to operate under different rules to other bookmakers. We need to ask the CEO why this allowed.If you address the letters'private and confidential'they have more chance of reaching him/her.It would also be useful if the letters were copied in to your MP.Each and everyone can contribute to the cause by drafting this question in their own words and sent asap.In this way Wasnot et al can have a success in making the GC aware of this practice which unless challenged will be adopted by other racecourses.My own letters have been sent so please help yourselves and we will be successful.

Would appear that on course bookmakers are not concerned about Chesterbet.The overwhelming number of them only operating in the short run i.e tomorrow rather than looking to long runi.e next year and beyond.

Agree chatto and not only in the case of Chesterbet.

Are you prepared to challenge Chester Wasnot or are you like others all w&p.

ChesterBet employee seen amongst the people on the wall, terminal in hand!!!!!!!

chesterbet employee yesterday explaining to a punter unlike the race course bookmakers you may well win more than you think when you bet with us.

Does Chesterbet pay a Marketing Fee ? The agreement for bookmakers to make this annual contribution to racecourse funds was a disgrace.