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'Says it all' - about so-called 'Speed Ratings'.
You never here a murmur from the Speed Figure followers when a GOOD FAV - but with a BAD 'Speed Figure' - BOLTS IN
Yet they try to claim - and always cry - when a top-rated does crawl past the post in front ... "The clock never lies."
But it tells some FIBS, though ... as emphasised today.
OR TS RPR
1 53-123 Coronet 26 CD 4 9-7
John Gosden Frankie Dettori 113 105 122
2 2311-1 Eziyra h 14 D 4 9-7
D K Weld William Buick 107 85 116
3 448-21 Horseplay 47 D 4 9-7
Andrew Balding Oisin Murphy 108 90 116
4 -81344 Bye Bye Baby 33 3 8-12
A P O'Brien Wayne Lordan 108 97 113
5 135168 Flattering 21 D 3 8-12
A P O'Brien Michael Hussey 100 90 111
6 11-211 Laurens 67 3 8-12
K R Burke P J McDonald 113 108 120
7 -31415 Magic Wand t 33 Dbf 3 8-12
A P O'Brien Ryan Moore 113 100 121
8 2111 Sea Of Class 33 D 3 8-12
William Haggas James Doyle 115 74 123
You never here a murmur from the Speed Figure followers when a GOOD FAV - but with a BAD 'Speed Figure' - BOLTS IN
Yet they try to claim - and always cry - when a top-rated does crawl past the post in front ... "The clock never lies."
But it tells some FIBS, though ... as emphasised today.
OR TS RPR
1 53-123 Coronet 26 CD 4 9-7
John Gosden Frankie Dettori 113 105 122
2 2311-1 Eziyra h 14 D 4 9-7
D K Weld William Buick 107 85 116
3 448-21 Horseplay 47 D 4 9-7
Andrew Balding Oisin Murphy 108 90 116
4 -81344 Bye Bye Baby 33 3 8-12
A P O'Brien Wayne Lordan 108 97 113
5 135168 Flattering 21 D 3 8-12
A P O'Brien Michael Hussey 100 90 111
6 11-211 Laurens 67 3 8-12
K R Burke P J McDonald 113 108 120
7 -31415 Magic Wand t 33 Dbf 3 8-12
A P O'Brien Ryan Moore 113 100 121
8 2111 Sea Of Class 33 D 3 8-12
William Haggas James Doyle 115 74 123
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Appreciate I am being wise after the event, and I did not back it, but the hoss was top rated RPR and top rated on official ratings (even before the 9lb age related allowance). Sometimes these TopsPeed ratings look simply too bad (OR GOOD!!!) to be true, and often are. No crit intended Onlooker, just an observation.
I follow speed figures and I place layed it.....I knew it all its previous runs it had run in slowly run races where it had no chance of achieving a high figure......when a horse like this runs I always take a look at the pedigree and to be fair she as a lovely pedigree but I just thought it was worth a place lay go at the price.
Poet's Society by just a pound - Not 34 lb 'well -in'
- as opposed to SEA OF CLASS - 34 Lb 'well-OUT'.
You would have to back EVERY SINGLE selection - in order to catch a typical 'out of the clouds' Johnston head-scratcher.... and then, you would simply go skint.
- as opposed to SEA OF CLASS - 34 Lb 'well-OUT'.
You would have to back EVERY SINGLE selection - in order to catch a typical 'out of the clouds' Johnston head-scratcher.... and then, you would simply go skint.
its all price relative imo but that aside the big thing to understand is opportunity cost
just because a horse hasn't posted a big figure doesn't mean it isn't capable of it, it could be it hasn't had the opportunity to do so (been in slowly run races)
cardiff understands it imo
just because a horse hasn't posted a big figure doesn't mean it isn't capable of it, it could be it hasn't had the opportunity to do so (been in slowly run races)
cardiff understands it imo
1st winner clear top rated as well
2nd race winner 1lb off top rated (was 50s on here)
by all means ignore them or bet with or against them if you see fit
2nd race winner 1lb off top rated (was 50s on here)
by all means ignore them or bet with or against them if you see fit
Wonders - I am in violent agreement with you, but where and how do you have Red Balloons 1lb off top rated. Actually I had a small EW interest but this was not the reason.
posted 76 @ notts and as carrying 8-6 +22 for the 10st adjustment...makes 98
A ha - I printed my York Racecards from RP last night. Shows Oberyn M at 98. Celebrity Dancer and Kodyanna at 97 AND Red Balloons at 91. A lesson here of course is that these are updated overnight. I did know this, but did my bets last night as I was on Grandad and Gardening duty today.
For a long shot, RB was remarkably well weighted on adjusted official ratings and wasn;t too shabby on RPR either.
For a long shot, RB was remarkably well weighted on adjusted official ratings and wasn;t too shabby on RPR either.
blackbarn 23 Aug 18 21:10
Wonders - I am in violent agreement
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I would never have had you down as being, "violent," - blackbarn.
All my illusions are being shattered.
Wonders - I am in violent agreement
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I would never have had you down as being, "violent," - blackbarn.
All my illusions are being shattered.
Shows what a load of hokum speed figures are if a quality Irish Oaks winner is 34 pounds inferior to anything other than Pegasus ..........
Onlooker
- I like it, it is a neat term to use when folks think you are disagreeing with them, when in fact there is no difference between the two positions. It's conciliatory and non confrontational but you retain your position.
sixtwosix - it is not hokum, it is a speed figure, with all the obvious drawbacks that entails.
- I like it, it is a neat term to use when folks think you are disagreeing with them, when in fact there is no difference between the two positions. It's conciliatory and non confrontational but you retain your position. sixtwosix - it is not hokum, it is a speed figure, with all the obvious drawbacks that entails.
six..........if an horse is a hold up horse running in 5 slow run races how do expect it to get a high speed figure..........you then have got to decide whether you think its capable of running an high figure.......I go to pedigree and this occasion should have made me not lay her but I decided that price outweighed the pedigree in such an high class class
As someone that took there own sectionals for years on the turf I can safely say using speed figures over 12f is fraught with danger due to the amount of slowly run races there are. This season I stopped taking sectionals on the turf (wasn't making it pay and was very time consuming) and started concentrating from 5f to 8f using speed figures as my main tool to find bets. Obviously there are still some slowly run races but overall they are much more reliable than over longer distances.
york (Rail movements: R1 & 2 +43y, R6 +36y) newmarket (Rail movements: R4 & 5 +21y) goodwood (Rail movements: R2, 3 & 6 +10y, R5 +13y) ffos las (Rail movements: R1, 2, 5, 6 & 7 +9y) thats just today and how can the courses calculate accurately rail movements its a pure guess what yds they have moved them, speed rating are a thing of the past they have ruined them
Speed figures are surely just part of the jigsaw - as far as Sea Of Class is concerned she had only run FOUR times - far too early to be making too many assumptions .....
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