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domino14 23 Aug 18 14:26 Joined: 28 Jan 18 | Topic/replies: 2,793 | Blogger: domino14's blog
@Denzil I've ridden many a horses in the morning, and given them a breeze to make sure they run flat in the afternoon. if you worked in financial services and you copped to this, you would be in jail |
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wouldnt believe a word he says charlie.
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domino14 23 Aug 18 14:24 Joined: 28 Jan 18 | Topic/replies: 2,793 | Blogger: domino14's blog
Yes Zsa Zsa, quite simply, I am not really betting for a few days for family reasons and in and out of hospital with family all day, and haven't slept in 3 days, and I'm not in good form at all. I placed 4 bets this am, all small to try and take my mind off a few things. we are all different and people cope in different ways but i doubt there are too many shrinks that would advise gambling in order to cope with your situation? |
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Willie Shafter. 23 Aug 18 14:33
let me get this right..you have a family member close to death,never slept for 3 days,spending all day in and out of hospital,but still finding time to study the form and lay and back horses? that was my opinion. |
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certainly seems strange willie
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I've ridden many a horses in the morning, and given them a breeze to make sure they run flat in the afternoon.
I don't know many yards that wont do that with a horse they don't want to win. It's the easiest way to make sure it runs flat. I could be horribly wrong here but how often do horses running in the afternoon do anything like serious work on that morning? I can imagine some having a light canter (but away from the horses ding work) or a swim but it would stand out like a sore thumb a horse running on the day getting breathless when everybody knows it shouldn't. Guving a horse a big feed and water too soon to the race is a much easier way to impact a peformace I believe. I know it's American so a bit different (I'd say they are more likely to work them on race day as so many are trained at the tracks) but: At some point in the morning, the horse may be walked – or perhaps jogged or galloped on the track for a few minutes – for a warm-up. (Horses are never “worked” on race day). After that, and a bath, the horse will be muzzled to keep it from any further eating. Like all professional athletes, it will do better in competition on a light stomach. http://www.toconline.com/racingownership/owner-handbook/race-day/ |
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Horse Racing > Chep 23rd Aug : 1m Hcap Showing 1 - 2 of 2 Selections
Selection Odds Stake(£) Bid type Placed Profit/loss(£) Bond Angel 3.00 33.00 Lay 23-Aug-18 07:32 33.00 Zapateado 10.62 6.00 Back 23-Aug-18 06:19 57.71 *Average odds: On Off Back subtotal: 57.71 Lay subtotal: 33.00 Market subtotal: 90.71 Commission @ 5.59%: 5.07 Net Market Total: 85.64 Horse Racing > Chep 23rd Aug : To Be Placed Showing 1 - 1 of 1 Selections Selection Odds Stake(£) Bid type Placed Profit/loss(£) Zapateado * 2.95 25.00 Back 48.68 *Average odds: On Off Back subtotal: 48.68 Lay subtotal: 0.00 Market subtotal: 48.68 Commission @ 5.59%: 2.72 Net Market Total: 45.96 Only shrapnel bet on the win and didn't get all matched before going to work, but it was worth it. I'm not going to give Paul any flak, if he hadn't posted, i wouldn't have bothered with the race. |
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WDA.
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punters often ruin prices. Get what they deserve in my book.
Sound like a top man tbf - I hope you never take a price that shortens. Just because you are stupid enough to pay Isiris no need to take it out on other punters. Why not take the punting away altogether and have no horse racing at all? The trouble is "ruining a price" only takes a couple of hundred quid nowadays - and lets be fair most of these prices get ruined due to the fact we see stupid little pr1cks blatantly cheating like fook on them time and time again (probably also taking brown envelopes no doubt). So plenty of punters wait and have a punt when they think they are actually going to be trying. |
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daps..he didnt pay
domino14 09 Apr 18 17:29 My mate sends me them for free, I don't bet them but been recording them and if anyone seriously follows them to £100 a point, they must be insane. |
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oops...
domino14 21 Jun 18 08:19 I foolishly signed up to Isiris around 6 months ago, via the Mainline and MYC services. |
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Ok WS, I still stand by my last part though:
The trouble is "ruining a price" only takes a couple of hundred quid nowadays - and lets be fair most of these prices get ruined due to the fact we see stupid little pr1cks blatantly cheating like fook on them time and time again (probably also taking brown envelopes no doubt). So plenty of punters wait and have a punt when they think they are actually going to be trying. |
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daps..he did pay...
to me to you..  |
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or did he
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3 pages two reed did this beast win oat knot please
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spyker
Date Joined: 09 Oct 07 Add contact | Send message 23 Aug 18 17:06 Joined: 09 Oct 07 | Topic/replies: 6,780 | Blogger: spyker's blog I've ridden many a horses in the morning, and given them a breeze to make sure they run flat in the afternoon. I don't know many yards that wont do that with a horse they don't want to win. It's the easiest way to make sure it runs flat. I could be horribly wrong here but how often do horses running in the afternoon do anything like serious work on that morning? I can imagine some having a light canter (but away from the horses ding work) or a swim but it would stand out like a sore thumb a horse running on the day getting breathless when everybody knows it shouldn't. Guving a horse a big feed and water too soon to the race is a much easier way to impact a peformace I believe. I know it's American so a bit different (I'd say they are more likely to work them on race day as so many are trained at the tracks) but: At some point in the morning, the horse may be walked – or perhaps jogged or galloped on the track for a few minutes – for a warm-up. (Horses are never “worked” on race day). After that, and a bath, the horse will be muzzled to keep it from any further eating. Like all professional athletes, it will do better in competition on a light stomach. http://www.toconline.com/racingownership/owner-handbook/race-day/ very good point spyker, which certainly seems to back up willie's contention that not much that dom says is true |
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So using a website based in USA and believing what it states hahaha
You are both so clueless it's so unreal. You do realise, 100m sprinters often run 2 heats in a day or two competitions in a day. You do realise horses canter to the start on most races. Having a gallop in the morning may take the edge off and see they run flat but you would be foolish to think it would mean they would no race at all. If you don't think that trainers use galloping a horse the morning of a race to make sure the horse wont win, you are also very naive. I can tell you for FACT I have done it many times for a number of trainers. |
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Is that not all but the same as stopping one in a race dom?
 It's like saying "I never cheated in a race but cheated before the race started" |
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Used to put the greyhounds on a bone all day that stops the fookers
 And in a nice way none of this cutting there quicks too short so it hurts to run evil cxxts  Just stick them on a nice juicy bone all day  |
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domino14 23 Aug 18 19:10 Joined: 28 Jan 18 | Topic/replies: 2,801 | Blogger: domino14's blog So using a website based in USA and believing what it states hahaha You are both so clueless it's so unreal. You do realise, 100m sprinters often run 2 heats in a day or two competitions in a day. You do realise horses canter to the start on most races. Having a gallop in the morning may take the edge off and see they run flat but you would be foolish to think it would mean they would no race at all. If you don't think that trainers use galloping a horse the morning of a race to make sure the horse wont win, you are also very naive. I can tell you for FACT I have done it many times for a number of trainers. anyone else think this should be reported to the jockey club? |
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Dom....just telling their jockey words to the effect of "not today" is what most trainers do......a competent jockey has numerous ways that he/she can do this .......so you have given many horses a breeze on the morning of a race for many trainers....and the stable staff have been aware of this?....or have you been told to take the horse off on your own without the knowledge of the stable staff?....
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Stable staff aware and many stable staff will have done the same.
The fact is, it's not against the rules of racing to train a horse how you see fit. Yes you will know the horse wont run to 100% in the race but the horse will be running in the race on merits but just run flat. The jockey club are well aware of it going on. I rode at Wolverhampton a few years ago and the stewards and vet wanted to check a horse in the stable yard before racing as they had been informed the horse had been galloped in the morning and was not fit to race, however the horse will be checked over and it will show no effects of it having a gallop in the morning. So nothing they can do. It's not against the rules of racing, and tbh no different to say a horse which is having it's 3rd run for a mark, and in the 2 weeks since its last race, it will have only gone on the walker since at home to make sure the horse blows up in the race. The horse will still run to achieve it's best possible position but it wont be 100% so it wont be able to. Nothing against the rules of racing, but a classic point of why blind punters face such a stiff task to back winners. As I said this morning, in every handicap of lesser grades every day, at least half the horses running will not be running with any chance of winning. |
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thankyou for that charlton.
ive emailed a copy to the bha and jockey club. |
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thank you willie
as i mentioned earlier, this kind of "insider trading" is a jailable offence in the financial services industries, so why should it be tolerated in this game? |
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and if dom is correct and this breaks no rules, then perhaps they should institute a new rule or two
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ive told them that dombo is in the forum and is ubiquitous.
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You can't govern how horses are trained at home Charlton. Many trainers have their own gallops, there would be no way of ANYONE knowing just what goes on, on them.
I know of two trainers with a license this very moment who aren't even training their horses, and wouldn't know some of the horses in the yard if they were stood in front of them. |
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Does anyone on here know of a case where a horse has been breezed/worked on the morning of the race?......maybe owners/former owners/former stable staff/or with connections to current/former stable staff?.......who can give support to this happening.....as a former owner, and having worked in a yard, and having connections to current stable staff......I can honestly say it is news to me!!.....as I said before, there are other options for a trainer who is that way inclined and would prefer his/her horse not to win on that day that would not come to the attention of wagging/disapproving tongues!!
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and is ubiquitous.
Yeah eye agree eye fink   |
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Joined: 12 Apr 06 | Topic/replies: 311 | Blogger: layemall's blog
Does anyone on here know of a case where a horse has been breezed/worked on the morning of the race?... Off cause they fooking aint how mad would that be Domino i think you are ubiquitous |
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and you know that for a fact do you Ghost?
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@Layemall
I could name 6 yards I know that do/done it. I won't name them on here. Owners probably wouldn't even know. There's a video on the internet about race fixing, by Paul Kenyon where a trainer says they have done it on a recorded video, can't remember which trainer it was, but it was a small jumps trainer. |
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From everyone ive known in the game no one has every even mentioned it.
Mentioned plenty of other ways they stop one tho. Ask gutfeeling he would know, nowt that man dont know about horses |
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@Layemall
I could name 6 yards I know that do/done it. I won't name them on here. Well your fooking cruel then what if one broke down in its race cause some daft midgit of a jockey had done as you have said and fooked up. WAC |
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Cruel ?
How ? The horse won't break down, the horse will run flat, or just not to the edge. Do you realise before the Cesareswitch, every horse canters / trots 2m 2f to the start, in fcat every race at Newmarket you canter full distance to the start. I've seen horses at Newmarket pulling hard going very fats to post at Newmarket, which would be blowing when they get to the start and to an effect, have already run a race ! It's nothing cruel to suggest a horse gallops in a morning. When I started race riding they races afternoon and night at Wolverhampton on a Saturday and there was many a horse who ran at both the afternoon and evening meeting. The horse will just not run to 100% , not a welfare issue. No different to if you went for a work out in the morning, you could still physically have a work out in the afternoon but you will probably feel a little fatigued later on in the workout. |
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When I started race riding they races afternoon and night at Wolverhampton on a Saturday and there was many a horse who ran at both the afternoon and evening meeting.
new one on me |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2-x_zsMwJ4
Thanks Dom...am watching it now....an interesting start with Jimmy Fitzgerald and Gay Kellaway....btw, I agree that the owner/s are unlikely to know about it. |
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Aint having it Dom
And if you did do you was helping cheat punters. Go get a j c b dom this hole is getting big |
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Been to many of those split meets at wolves but cant recall any hoss running twice in a day there.
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neither can i
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