Delta

no idea - just stumbled over fact he was back


we will have to ask dom' when he is on as he seems to know location and numbers ..

funny how you sayed Butler on that thread and thats where two are from

3 entries @ Yarmouth this week ..

think butler took some of his in the past

funny how Butler gave up too a while back



Paul more comebacks that Hayley!

Licence/Permit Type: Combined
Training Since: Pre 1989
Number of Horses in Training: 12
County: Hampshire

also listed in hampshire with some Pottery comp:, [previously]

probably wifes ... [guess]

Trained in Hampshire previously so may have gone back

wasnt it

Lee-On-The-Solent, Hants?


as per RP [still] ?

Paul is training from Gosport.

Jo his wife runs an antiques shop I believe.

The horses that have come to him are through Chelsea Banham who is pre training in Newmarket and wants to train. Wouldn't be surprised if she is assistant. Few have gone straight from Banhams to him, others from Kelleway and Butler and a couple of 2yo's not sure where they came from as unraced.

tar dom

Paul and Jo are lovely people. Got to know them well when they shared Warren Place whilst I was riding out there and Fanshawes. It's nice to see them back, always had a lot of time for Paul.

Liam Sheridan back soon?

Butler packed up because he had to, he was advised to relinquish his license or he wouldn't be granted one. He went as assistant to a big yard for a while, then when advised was fine to reapply, he did.  His gf / assistant is Alice Haynes who used to be apprentice for Mark Wallace and then David Simcock.

I think he may be at moor place bramshill

@Twoboyz

No one in their right mind would take horses away from William. Best trainer in Newmarket by a mile.

Topton

who told Butler to relinquish .. ?

BHA;

He was training horses for some lets say, interesting characters.

We all loved Topton. Especially with KF up top

I was wrong about Bramshill

probably be RP article on Thursday pre runners and an ATR interview

Does SM still work for ATR? as he is very pally with Paul, so if he is working, he would definitely interview

Back at Newmarket Domino

Not quite, he's closer to Cambridge.

Possibly training out of this yard ?

https://www.facebook.com/Chelsea-Banham-Racing-351433315332820/

We shall see Domino but I stand by Newmarket

4/6 handtorofe

5/4 domino14

Paul Howling
Cowlinge, Suffolk

Joey Haynes only person to put a like up on the chelsea facebook -and rides all three tomorrow -

you know then Delta Cowlinge

RP updated from Yarmouth decs

Cowlinge is about 10 miles from Newmarket. So not in Newmarket at all. Certainly won't be using town gallops. Looks like that's where Chelsea Banham's pre training yard is so, basically Chelsea is training them and using Pauls name.

@Delta

Joey Haynes is Chelsea's partner I believe.

Thought he was at JF old place

Who ?

John Ferguson

That is Chelsea Banham's pre training yard. You can see from the link I put on here earlier.

Paul is holding the license, Chelsea is assistant, she needs to be an assistant for 18 moths before she can apply for a license.

I would imagine it's her and Joey doing most of the work though, I imagine Paul is on the license just as it's handy, loads of trainers do it / have done it.

The yard is about 10 miles outside of Newmarket. Has it's own gallops, but it is Chelsea Banham's pre training yard address.

Correct about Joey & Chelsea, Isn't Chelseas father Gary banned from owning horses or being on a licenced premises?

Chelsea did all her modules about 3 years ago now.

He was warned off over the Greek trainer issues and I think he was linked to the Bill Hinge enquiry as well. That was a good few years ago now, so not sure if he is still banned or not.

@Gutfeeling

I too done my modules in 2013 Gutfeeling, but as well as the modules you have to have 18 months as an assistant trainer to be considered for a license, which is why Alice Haynes is assistant to John Butler, as she wants her license. Chelsea will be the same. Doing the modules is all well and good but unless you have a big name in racing and get a temp license, you have to complete 18 months as an assistant before you are considered for a license.

I never minded Chelsea so I'll leave it there and wish her and Joey the best of luck, I just doubt she'll have the slightest say in any of it as time goes on, Hope I'm wrong but..

Dom I know how it works.

Out of interest when you rode for Fanshawe what was the best horse of his you got a leg up on.

Long ole journey for Paul every morning

As is the norm Gutfeeling. When I rode for a yard I won't mention in Newmarket, there was 2 lads training half a dozen horses in the yard. I never rode their horses and the trainer whose name was on the license knew nothing about the horses, they took them out before 1st lot and they ran them as they saw fit. One day 2 ran and both were absolutely smashed off the boards, Matt Chapman on his morning program rang the trainer who knew nothing about the two horses and had to basically say a load of twaddle and that to Matt. The first one won and then the next one was pulled out 15 minutes later, apparently the ground not ideal, I imagine the boys had it off on the first one, and wanted to not risk the doubles.

It happens a lot in yards. Many yards (esp smaller ones) allow their assistants to have horses. You only have to look at the number of horses an ex jockey has in training with a big Newmarket yard and he rides them all out himself. He won't be paying full fee's that's for sure.

It happens a lot in smaller yards nowadays.

I would be amazed if Chelsea is pulling the strings, I don't know her personally but the yard she is in, was far from cheap rent wise, and she has bought cheap horses and pre training for a number of smaller owners and trainers. It comes as no surprise the people backing this Howling operation are gambling owners.

Quiet that time of day though, Drive it like you stole it time.

@Gutfeeling

In a race or at home ?

Either or....More about what you felt than what they achieve, Many great horses have patchy records for a multitude of reasons as you know

I rode a couple of very good horses first time out who went on to be group horses, I won on both. But at home I worked a horse called Cesare a lot and a quirky but talented horse called Azarole, those would have been the best horses I rode out there. Was never allowed near Soviet Song !

Ha loved Soviet Song, I wonder why he doesn't train any NH horses nowdays as I thought he was very talented with hurdlers / chasers.

Jeremy the best horse I've ever sat on. To work him at home was something else. He galloped like Pegasus at home, you didn't even feel him touching the ground, and you were going flat out but felt like you were hacking. He didn't achieve half of what we thought he would at home. To sit on, he felt the best I ever sat on, I thought he was going to be a world beater. My Favourite horse to ride out was a horse called Patkai, he was lazy but tried, great horse to gallop over 9f on the Limekilns, you would push him the whole way no matter what you worked him with and he just done what he had to. He had a great personality and was a real favourite of mine.

You still in HQ then ?

chelski gut' try and keep up

No, live in London now.

In my condition hacking is about as good as it gets Delta, keeping up would require work

FAV

in the first!

WD Crooser

Hi Hatters hows trix

Do we know who Dom is, I think I was absent the day it came out by the looks of it

Jas' on track seemed to ignore who trained it!

stridingedge   

Charlotte Kerton

wasn't she done for being a bit dodgy

and are you pulling my chain

Jack Daniel's

rode out for jim beam Stats?

Always searching Stride

Stats on right lines

Delt knows you got a big chain ?

Hic! That's the 1

only if quanita has spilled the beans

Hatters will drop you a message when I've looked at Goodwood re MJ over the weekend

No probs
Look forward to it
Lost interest in that line after the always trying guru gave up on him
I can be re-converted

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By David Milnes
7:19PM, JUL 26 2018
   
Paul Howling nearly enjoyed a dream return to the training ranks on the North Denes when At Your Service, one of Howling's three runners on the card, was narrowly beaten into second in the opening 6f handicap.

Formerly based in part of Warren Place in Newmarket, after a five year break Howling has returned as a licence holder in a yard just eight miles from headquarters.

After At Your Service had been reeled in late by Deeds Not Words, Howling said: "That was nearly a dream return to training and I thought it was going to be like 1987 when my first runner in my first spell won a televised handicap. That got us a few new owners I can tell you but this fellow has lost nothing in defeat."

On the reasons behind the revival of his training career, he added: "I've been managing horses for a few owners but kept getting asked when I was going to train again. I had a nice offer so we're back in business. I've about 12 in at the moment at what was John Ferguson's yard at Bloomfields. I have a few to buy so hopefully I'll have a few more. "

Going to be hard work unless he can pick up a couple of decent sprinters Delta

dont you get tempted!

No chance lol

Shaffire chep tonight out of my old mare wigan lane she bred Lathom the super sprint winner

did well to breed Lathom as ended OR50 'ish!