Bataash V Lady Aurelia....

Bataash for me as well

5-2 on here seem fair enough.

I was in the Bataash camp at York last season when he lost any chance pre race and wud be again were he to get down to the start wivout incident but it cud be a big "if" - likely to be a warm day wiv massive crowd in attendance which cud help contribute to this fella boiling over again which wud be a shame cos theres no doubt he has a serious engine in him

Battaash for me too. I wonder if Kalms is permitted for horses with nervy disposition.

I've no view either way , but was watching The Verdict t'other day and Angus and Willo were going about LA being the value at the prices on the figures and crucuially, cuz she's the one with the previous at Ascot!

LA value? She's consistently underperformed lately plus she does not get the wfa allowance this year. Tbf she'd be the one I'd dismiss as a betting proposition. I might do a match bet between Battaash and LA on raceday.

jockey a minus for Battash, no ?

Arguably put up her best performances at Ascot mind

Aurelia has been beaten at odds on in her last 3 outings and will need to do a lot better than she did in her last race at Keeneland.

Bataash is a good sprinter, but a big lay for me tomorrow.

Edgy disposition and occasion could get to him
Best form on soft going
Only raced at Ascot once finishing way down the field
Trainer is out of form
Rated 1 lb ahead of Lady Aurelia but has to concede 3 lb

Lady Aurelia broke the Ascot 5f record in this race last year
Lady Aurelia loves Ascot and good/firm going
Velazquez back on board

I think Mabs Cross is a good EW outsider, but i will be backing LA and laying Battaash.

Good luck

As in Politics a year in horse racing is a long time, and the performances of Lady Aurelia and Battaash could not have been more different ie the former in decline, the latter in ascendancy,...obviously in my humble opinion.

Personally, two unjustified Gp 1 favourites tomorrow on given form ie Without Parole and Lady Aurelia.

Apparently Wesley referred to LA as a female bodybuilder.

How does Wesley do it?

Answers on a postcard...

Saw her comeback run and thought she might need one more tune up b4 taking on Battash.

Just a quick one about Wes...he’s gotten a bit cute.

What’s with the runner in the Hunt Cup?

That said...Undrafted in the Wokingham might be a good bit of placing.

Lady Aurelia for me, Battaash needs going slightly soft,Ascot ground staff have been known to mess around with going

Not to mention that poor old Battaash has a 7lb - stone penalty in having Jim Crowley on his back.....

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LA value? She's consistently underperformed lately plus she does not get the wfa allowance this year

surpassed your normal level of bullsh1t with this one! walofs

Battaash,...steering job.

Against the grain of this thread but Lady Aurelia for me. Leg one of multi.

lady aurelia will be the biggest loser of the week imo

Battaash is a huge lay.
Conditions wont suit and will most likely ruin his chance before he gets in the stalls.

Gotta be a chance they will both be each others undoing ?

Blue Point to stay on and pick up the pieces.

Can only tip and bet Battash once he is out of the stalls.

Battaash for me I know he is in great condition.

Mabbs Cross ew for me

Just got matched at evens on Blue Point in the Blue Point vs Kachy AvB market - I only put the bet up at that price as a bookmark for later, wasn't planning to get matched.  Not complaining mind.

And backing Bataash for the main event, and vs LA

Wesley recons Lady Aurelia is muscles on muscles and breathing Fire.

Tree has spoken.


Battash it is then.

battaash very relaxed at the start.

you would be relaxed too, with the extra 10 pound off your back (MoneyTree)

No excuses there.

Battash carrying a massive penalty. Crowley

Crowley gave him a good ride imo.

Get in, Blue Point benefits from a suicidal pace. Mabs Cross ran a belter.

domino is correct. Suicidal

Crowley did not have a lot of say in it.....the Horse was tanking.

Wonder what he will say to connections ... Well Gov

Jun 18, 2018 -- 10:32PM, granitjack wrote:

Not to mention that poor old Battaash has a 7lb - stone penalty in having Jim Crowley on his back.....

He never fails to disappoint does Jim.....

The Winner is a Class Sprinter on his day...Move on nothing to see here.

6f horse wins due to pace burn up....

Don't think Crowley done a lot wrong, but a race with so many front runners who like to go flat out, was only really one result.
Agree Acey Deucy the winner is a class sprinter, but when one horse goes absolutely flat out the whole way and the other looked flat, the task is made significantly easier.

Thinking if there was a way a horse could intentionally miss the break from stalls in order to ensure a lead. See it a lot speedballs getting caught. Reminds me of cycle racing finishes.

I bet Battaash will not be making the pace ever again so early on - he's been outstayed in this stiff 5f by a 6f horse - the pace was the deciding factor, I firmly believe.

Andrew in Sweden    18 Jun 18 18:27 

Bataash is a good sprinter, but a big lay for me tomorrow.

Well done Blue Point backers

As for Battaash steering job

You forgot the Lady Aurelia bit, Andrew.

dont think battaash backers are too disappointed, the horse placed 2nd and was a great price to place,
looked a 2 horse race on paper, so there was no way you could be confident just backing it for the win

You forgot the Lady Aurelia bit, Andrew

Sparrow,

Correct,and with good reason. I posted this yesterday

I think Mabs Cross is a good EW outsider, but i will be backing LA and laying Battaash.

I backed Mabs Cross win/place and layed Battaash, but I didn't play Lady Aurelia in the end.

Here is my daily p/l.

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Football: £85.55 | Horse Racing: £216.99  Total P&L:  £302.54

Horse Racing    Showing 1 - 12 of 12 markets
Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Sligo 19th Jun : 1m2f Hcap    19-Jun-18 20:20    19-Jun-18 20:24    20.91
Horse Racing / Sligo 19th Jun : 7f Hcap    19-Jun-18 19:50    19-Jun-18 19:54    20.91
Horse Racing / Bev 19th Jun : 5f Stks    19-Jun-18 19:30    19-Jun-18 19:32    38.02
Horse Racing / Brig 19th Jun : 7f Hcap    19-Jun-18 19:10    19-Jun-18 19:12    31.37
Horse Racing / Bev 19th Jun : 1m4f Hcap    19-Jun-18 19:00    19-Jun-18 19:03    -100.00
Horse Racing / Brig 19th Jun : 7f Hcap    19-Jun-18 18:40    19-Jun-18 18:42    31.37
Horse Racing / Ascot 19th Jun : 2m4f Hcap Stks    19-Jun-18 17:00    19-Jun-18 17:05    171.11
Horse Racing / Ascot 19th Jun : King Stand Stakes    17-Jun-18 10:00    19-Jun-18 15:52    47.53
Horse Racing / Ascot 19th Jun : To Be Placed    19-Jun-18 15:40    19-Jun-18 15:51    122.34
Horse Racing / Ascot 19th Jun : 5f Grp1    19-Jun-18 15:40    19-Jun-18 15:49    38.43
Horse Racing / Ascot 19th Jun : Coventry Stakes    17-Jun-18 10:00    19-Jun-18 15:16    -50.00
Horse Racing / Ascot 19th Jun : 6f Grp2    19-Jun-18 15:05    19-Jun-18 15:13    -155.00

Andrew, After posting that yesterday you obviously read my post about Lady Aurelia's last 3 runs ending with the Keeneland one

LOL

Well you were correct. WD

I went off LA because i had layed Battash twice and had the W/P on Mabs. Any more and i was almost covering the field

What price was Mabs in the place market here as that would have been your best bet.

I left the bets on before i went to the office, so I don't know what the best price was for Mabs. I was matched @ 4.9 for the place.

My best bet was the handicap RA 5.00, i had the winner @ 13.0

My worst was laying Calyx RA 3.05 (loss £155.0) 

Horse Racing > Ascot 19th Jun : To Be Placed    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 Selections
Selection    Odds    Stake(£)    Bid type    Placed    Profit/loss(£)
Mabs Cross    4.90    33.00    Back    18-Jun-18 21:20    128.70
*Average odds: On  Off    Back subtotal:    128.70
Lay subtotal:    0.00
Market subtotal:    128.70
Commission @ 4.94%:    6.36
Net Market Total:    122.34

Horse Racing > Ascot 19th Jun : 2m4f Hcap Stks    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 Selections
Selection    Odds    Stake(£)    Bid type    Placed    Profit/loss(£)
Lagostovegas    13.00    15.00    Back    19-Jun-18 05:50    180.00
*Average odds: On  Off    Back subtotal:    180.00
Lay subtotal:    0.00
Market subtotal:    180.00
Commission @ 4.94%:    8.89
Net Market Total:    171.11

My commission is high as the base rate 6.5% in Sweden (so i would pay 3.44% in UK)

Not a bad day for you then Andrew. I'm still considering a lay of Cracksman tomorrow but will probably not make my mind up until late in the day.

Sparrow,

Yes a good day considering i started with a 3 figure loss.

Cracksman is one of those that looks very good on paper, but is he a back at the price. A week ago you could get evens, now he's 1.59. Trip and course obviously not a problem, and the opposition is not the best, so it's only good/firm ground that's the ponderable. I would certainly be a backer than a layer, but whether i will go in tomorrow is another story. Good luck if you lay it.

Dont do it Sparrow - loves Ascot and only neg is distance but Frankie will be on the ball

smirnoff,

Distance a negative ?

Gosden gave a very revealing interview after he wobbled home at Epsom saying he loves to grab the ground at Ascot and we wud see a much different beast - that will do for me but little damage done if you take him on..... that said they said the same about Frankel and look what happened there 

The horse you layed/thought about laying cud be the 2nd coming in those colours as pointed out by Frankie - admittedly he doesnt know as much as some ex race riders  but i remember they said the same about Frankel when Corals offered the bet of a lifetime when they gave you 12/1 him remaining unbeaten during his 3yr old career.

That horse is special for sure

The two things I considered were 10f on good to firm ground and the last race at Epsom where the main dangers ran no sort of race yet still leaving the outsider to run him close. I do worry about him liking Ascot and probably not Epsom but we shall see.

1m2f on g/f - much better over 1m4f imho

smirnoff,

I guess you're referring to Calyx, correct, that was my first race loss. Looked impressive LTO but i thought today would be a bit too soon. It was heavily backed close to race time, but i had already layed it anyway. Won really well and a long way in front of those on the stands side. Could be a Guineas horse for sure, but i wouldn't rule out Sergio Prokofiev either.

That's what I meant smirnoff the distance and ground being a negative.

Correct Andrew - Dancing Brave stands proudly on one the walls in my home thanks to a young handicapped lad that drew him and "Pat the ****" - god rest his soul- from Bishop Auckland so ive always had an affection for him and those colours - Frankel was a freak that only a few knew about prior to his debut when he beat Nathaniel

Calyx is the 2nd coming and the other "wonderhorse" will be looked after for ever more

*disclaimer - i know fook all

t wat - as he was affectionately known to us place potters

Smirnoff,

I certainly knew about Frankel after the Royal Lodge, i thought he was a world beater then, so maybe we share the honour of being his number 1 fan. I certainly posted often enough about him on here in 2010/2012. The best i've seen, and i've seen some good ones.

after his debut i expressed my views that he was a great and advised the 12/1 bet elsewhere after maybe his 2nd or 3rd race elsewhere - he only had to win 3-4 races max at silly odds as a 3yr old so 12/1 was massive

Opposing Frankel - how Nick Mordin ended up selling the big issue. FACT!

correct but the Dixons had him
down as 95-103 early doors

we need a dance ....

sorry chavs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ed8NBPmits

I took my daughter to Royal Ascot for the QA in 2012, her first time on a race course. On the train i told her she would see something special (apart from Liz and co).

I didn't expect 11L

That and the ride Greville gave Dancing are my abiding memories of great racing moments

needless to say wiv Pat the **** on board roles were reversed when they were 6/4 the field the pair - me mate was a big Sharastani fan

t  WAt

Would you still want to be on over another 2 furlongs ? Not sure I would, but
Agree it would be nice to see another
Special one.

further he goes better he goes imo glasgow - cud be wrong cud be right

I made the wrong decision.

Was very disappointed with Cracksman - seems to be getting a harder horse to ride with every race - that was nowhere near a vintage renewal so has to go down as deeply disappointing as there didnt appear to be any excuses for him and it wasnt as if winner had 1st run on him so cudnt use that as an excuse - all in all a big let down on the day