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laddies wouldve quite happily accepted £200 on fobts, couldve won the grand on there
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You placed the bet and then Lad Head office randg the shop and the cashier called you over ...
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dont worry next time it will be odds on and then you can what you want on, he wasnt a average punter and therefore no good for business, it lost so didnt matter but you can be sure laddcrokes wouldve kept it.
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10.30..walked into shop and asked prices for two dogs
10.31..cashier looked on screen and quoted the prices 7/2 and 9/2 10.32..i put slip over £100 win each and £100 win double 10.33..she rung up for permission to lay the bet 10.34..she said you can have £100 win each and a £50 win double. 10.34 and a 30. secounds i took back slip and changed the £100 win double to £50 win double. 10.35 and 30 secounds handed back slip which she rung up. first dog won the second one came second. when back in shop to draw money was told there have been prices changes, the 7/2 shot was 11/4 and the 9/2 shot was 7/2. the price changes occurred at 10.34 and 20 seconds so at 10.33 the prices were available and betwwen her phoning up and 10.35 the prices had change. will not mention the firm as i am still in dispute over the bet over the difference off £75. if both dogs had won the difference would have been..£568.75 |
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Once a bet has been accepted/authorised by the trading office for a given amount and price, and rung through the till and photographed, with the price written on the bet and money handed over by the punter, surely that becomes a contract that can only be broken by mutual agreement?
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This sort of thing never happened years ago :(
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The cashier must of told them higher up what happened.
What did that cashier have to say to you? The only reason the prices changed was because they had just agreed to lay your bets. Won't be long before higher staking customers will have to record all conversations with these dishonest parasites. |
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if the bet and price was accepted by the trading office, whilst still on the phone, the price was written on the slip, rung through the till, photographed and bet number relayed over the phone. Thank you and goodbye trading office. Job done......you then might see a shortening in price on the screen........but never ever, a call back to say call that customer back as we need to change the terms. A complete and utter shambles, partly due to the old saying, if you pay peanuts....you get monkeys...... not their fault whoever it was accepted the bet, but then got over ruled by a jobs worth.
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JML, not willing to divulge the details of the conversation that took place between myself and the cashier (purely because his name and shop number is identifiable on the photo I uploaded to Twitter). Having said this, what I will tell you is that he was almost as shocked and dismayed by the situation as myself...
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I think you should have been given the 9/2 for the neatness of your handwriting alone. My mate manages a local Hills shop and he gets a lot of Chinese punters in and he says it's a conundrum to actually decipher exactly what it is they have done!
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KeMoh....that is irrelevant what conversation took place.......most shop staff would have the hump, including the manager, if it happened as you say.....(those who understood what had happened I should say!!).......some though nowadays may not have been too surprised if they have been in the game a while....
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People need to STOP giving the bastards custom! The sooner people let them all die off..the better the world will be.
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In this particular case though, they inadvertently did you a favour, as £200 buys a lot of beers :)....so they are not all bad.....lol
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In this particular case though, they inadvertently did you a favour, as £200 buys a lot of beers :)....so they are not all bad.....lol
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sorry for the confusion KeMoH,but I wanted to know what the cashier said to starship.
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Peanuts and Monkeys ,I managed for Ladbrokes among Others ,Had that happened in any shop I managed ,who ever called would have been Told in no uncertain Manner to **** Orf
But then The wxnkers can cancel the Bet from Head office these Days ..Brave souls they are and Leave the poor fxcker in the Shop to face the Music .. The more of the Sh1tholes that get closed down the better IMVHO. |
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exactly as i said as far i was concerned i on at the prices.
rung up customers service and theytold me the prices were there when i asked for the bet, but by the time i had changed the £100 to £50 the prices had changed and there was nothing i could do about it |
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starship--who wrote the prices on your slip?
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the cashier after ringing up head office for the prices
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case money...totally agree with the sentiment....it happens now because they can...i.e put bet in machine and comes up void..so no way vcan a manager pay that bet out at his/her discretion...I assume all discretion has been taken away from managers....used to be £50.......but reckon back then ...if the trading office had been ignored by a manager......said manager would be facing a disciplinary.....I also worked as a manager/supervisor and security.
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In that case I'd give them ONE last chance to pay
making sure that they understand that you will go to the small claims court if they refuse. |
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I suspect that they changed the prices immediately they finished speaking to the cashier
which would mean that they knew your bet was always going to be late,because the cashier had to explain that it's a £50 double,you then had to change the amount and return the slip to the cashier. That would account for the 70 seconds. Since this incident is so deceitful I'd inform the Gambling Commission even if you do get paid the correct amount. |
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layemall
re "case money...totally agree with the sentiment....it happens now because they can...i.e put bet in machine and comes up void..so no way can a manager pay that bet out at his/her discretion...I assume all discretion has been taken away from managers....used to be £50.......but reckon back then ...if the trading office had been ignored by a manager......said manager would be facing a disciplinary.....I also worked as a manager/supervisor and security." All late and void bets with Koral now HAVE to be cleared by security, and we all know what the answer will be, sad to say that you are correct and all discretion has been taken away. I remember a few years ago getting a rollicking for paying out on a sleeper, if I did it now I would be probably sacked, as far as I am concerned not giving the money to someone who you know has won is dishonest to say the least, so where is this fair and open policy. |
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Small Claims court will not entertain you! As Gambling debts/cases are not recoverable by law.
It's time we did away with Bookmakers - They squeal about FOBT's even though most people will go back to betting on horses or football or dogs, they now have free rein to the sports markets of USA, hence all there shares going back up above the levels they dropped to after FOBT announcement. Futhermore as a % they give f*** all back to racing . This is why a day at the races with a decent view, couPLe of drinks and biTE to eat cost upwards of £100 before you have a bet. France , Japan, virtually everywhere else has it right - TOTE SYSTEM & COURSE BOOKMAKERS ONLY! MONEY GOES BACK TO RACING - THIS IS WHY ALL THESE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES HAVE FANTASTIC COURSES AND FACILITIES AT THE RIGHT PRICE. Time to stop LADBROKES, WILLIAM HILL, CORAL ETC taking money out of the game to buy hotels property and fund fat cats! |
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The Gambling Act 2005 came into force on 1 September 2007. Section 335 of this Act provides that the fact that a contract relates to gambling shall not prevent its enforcement. This is without prejudice to any rule of law preventing the enforcement of a contract on the grounds of unlawfulness (other than a rule relating specifically to gambling). In other words, a gambling debt can be legally enforced, as long as it relates to gambling that is lawful. Gambling is lawful in the United Kingdom if it is permitted under the Gambling Act 2005 or the National Lottery etc. Act 1993, or is pursuant to the Financial Services and Markets Act 2000. So you can allow deductions for gambling debts if they can be legally enforced. This will include, for example, debts that arose from betting and gambling at licensed casinos and betting shops. You should not allow debts that relate to gambling that is not legal under the relevant legislation.
Before 1 September 2007 all gambling debts in England, Wales and Scotland were unenforceable. So, gambling debts of any kind that were incurred before this date are not valid deductions. |
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WHOKNOWSTHEBOWLER 23 May 18 08:21
TOTE SYSTEM & COURSE BOOKMAKERS ONLY! MONEY GOES BACK TO RACING - THIS IS WHY ALL THESE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES HAVE FANTASTIC COURSES AND FACILITIES AT THE RIGHT PRICE. Time to stop LADBROKES, WILLIAM HILL, CORAL ETC taking money out of the game to buy hotels property and fund fat cats! We are here on a betting exchange but you have failed to mention this at all. |
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llamedos correct. doesn't cover ROI but a letter before action should ensure your grievance is taken much more seriously ...
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I remember a few years ago getting a rollicking for paying out on a sleeper, if I did it now I would be probably sacked, as far as I am concerned not giving the money to someone who you know has won is dishonest to say the least, so where is this fair and open policy.
Is there any limit to the depths the bookmaking industry can sink to? |
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The present day bookies are betting/gaming legalised "thieves" with no conscience, only totally self regards; there also are the blood suckers of horse racing revenues, and not fit for purpose.
I think it is a mistake 'ladcrookes' and 'ok koral' were allowed to merge and then be taken over by GVC, an external betting entity behemoth. |
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WHOKNOWSTHEBOWLER • May 23, 2018 8:21 AM BST
Small Claims court will not entertain you! As Gambling debts/cases are not recoverable by law. I suppose it is something that it took so long for someone to spout this rubbish. It's usually in the first post/comments when gambling and law is discussed. |
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Very impressed by the quality of your handwriting.
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It happened to me in August in Watford high street ladbrokes. Had £60 at 16 on a horse . Sent it to bac was told bet was ok. Left the shop went back 10 mins later and was told bet was void. Refused to give slip back. Horse won. Ibas still dealing with it!!!!
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Cut and shut case, I'd have thought. To a lay person a legally binding contract has been opened and closed by an appointed representative of the entity concerned unless contract relating to betting/gaming is entirely different.
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^ August
, IBAS employees not worth the oxygen imo. |
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9 months to deal with a simple case like that is pathetic.the only way to get a quick resolution these days is to plaster it all over social media,the one thing they hate is bad negative publicity.
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totally ridiculous, like going into a shop taking a pair of jeans up to the counter saying i quite fancy these here's the £40. ohh you fancy them do you .... hang on, they're actually £50 ...
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Very impressed by the quality of your handwriting.
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The big bookmakers seem to be run by totally unsporting accountants , and would rather spend time and money campaigning on FOBT's and putting out blatant propaganda regards their deals and online games , rather than take a bet . They don't seem to be able to see the bigger picture . I remember hearing from a local small bookie , that he liked to have successful punters . He said that if it was continual losses for a punter , they would become disillusioned and stop gambling . The balance sheet mentality of the big bookies can't start to fathom this sort of thinking .
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Sole aim of big bookmakers = max annual profit = shareholders = bonus for head honchos.
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Ladcrooks is now mafia style bookmarking ! Same happend to me , last year bet a horse 9/2 guy wrote price on slip , the early price marcket was still up , fully 6 min later guy come from behind counters and , said traders , say you can only have 11/4 I said that’s the point show price I bet on the early price marcket , when a punter placed a bet he or she gets a receipt , it’s been a bidndibg rule since bookmarking started , ladcrookes now have decided they can rip punters off who have placed bets in good faith , ibas have no integrity , and basically pander and look after the bookmakers interests , they are not interred in any facts , they don’t even contact the shop staff , in question to see thier side of events , I stated watch the cctv speak to the staff , they replied ladcrooks , stated I had put the price of my own accord , they lied and ibas know this but they sweep under the carpet , you can take bookmakers to small claims coat , the guy on here used to do it , he used to help others with betting disputes , he told me they akways pay up day before Court case don’t want bad publicity I wd advice the small claims court , nothing to loose !
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