HOW INTERESTED ARE YOU IN THE BREEDERS CUP?

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I'm hoping Lady Aurelia and Highland Reel can do the business, that's the extent of my interest.

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Best flat racing in the world.

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9

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Used to love it but the year i watched George Washington standing on 3 legs in the muck turned me off a bit.

Dirt races in the wet are dreadful spectacles.

Georgie was so sad I would have given my wodge won on guineas back if it could have helped save him.

10 best racing all winter.

when it was 1 day I enjoyed it more, "breeders cup night" has a better feel to it than "breeders cup weekend" imo
also the races were less diluted

also I find its a bit of a turn off going to the same venue(s) all the time

a rotation system like the open golf would be better imo but the politics & money involved has a big say

durkin is much missed as well

around the time of giant's causeway/sakhee etc I would have said 6-7

Long time since it was at Del Mar surely.

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SS...I meant recent years santa & churchill same venues in consecutive years santa 3 years in a row actually

belmont never seems to get it now???
monmouth was a disaster with the weather but that was not their fault

The weather is a major consideration I suspect. It has been held in Florida at Gulfstream in the past but not for a while. Not sure why.

6 - will watch it.

but not a fan of american racing, the tracks, the lasix , the surface(s)
and the tiresome "world championships" p ish that the yanks have given
to the event - nothing could be further from the truth.

went to breeders 2007

curlin win paid for trip

new jersy

sloppy going understatement

rained non stop

There was a problem with the California courses all having to have tapeta/polytrack for a while. Keeneland had to go back to dirt to get it. I thought there were problems at Monmouth other than the weather ?

not sure SS re monmouth you could be right, I just remember the diabolical weather & ground conditions

keeneland was incentivised/rewarded with the breeders cup for switching back to dirt

awful weather was monmouth 2007

still have badge

2007 BREEDERS CUP WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS

One year british horses dominated gosden horse won classic thats why they went back to dirt.Does not matter thats it safer.But the days racing second only to arc day.

Used to be a 10 for me in the years of Arazi. Preferred it to Cheltenham.

6 now for me. the 2 days ruins it, same as Cheltenham.

Cheltenham 3 days was brilliant but moneys talks still don't see the point of the ryanair.

It's the best racing all year ........on a Saturday evening .
I like the Classic , but most of their  tracks seem to have short straights , much rather have York ,Doncaster  ,Newbury .

Away for it this year so about a 1 or 2 as won't be watching live.
Normally around a 5.

It's a lot better without the sound on.

Wouldn't want a diet of US racing all year round but the Breeders Cup is superb and unmissaable for me. It has the spice of top international competition , the general razzamattazz that they do so well , some really fast talkin' dudes doing the presenting and a sprinkling of highly attractive females in the mix as well .
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I enjoy it, the only time that I watch US racing mostly because of the European horses involved.
A 6 for me, it would have been 8 if it was drugs free racing.

Puts our so called 'Champion's Day' to shame.

I hate the tracks over there, small with short run-ins. I much prefer tracks where there is a long run-in and you don't see horses trying to make up ground round the bend. It's all about the break and position in American racing, you can blow your chance at the start just by being slowly away

Whereas here ,the bloob, they crawl through most of the trip ( many runners tossing their heads because they are being excessively

restrained), and then a race breaks out in the last 2 to 2 1/2 furlongs.

Pebbles, Skywalker, Lady's Secret, Ferdinand, Miesque, Theatrical, Alysheba, Personal Ensign, Sunday Silence, Arazi, AP Indy, Lure, Barathea,

Cigar, Daylami, Tiznow, Johannesburg, Fantastic Light, Found, American Pharoah, Songbird, Arrogate, Beholder, Uncle Mo, Midday, Zenyatta, Goldikova,

Raven's Pass, Oiuja Board.  etc.,etc.

Can anyone name a 1/2 day meeting anywhere in the world that can match that list over the last 32 years?

< of winners.

It would appear Churchill is going to run in The Classic ( on dirt ). Brave decision as he's by Galileo of course.

O'Brien said he is a similar type to Giant's Causeway, which was a close second to Tiznow in his classic.

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It would be a 10 but not knowing the american form so can't really bet on the card,the placepot is the biggest joke a meeting like that and its a minute pool I had 11% of the pool one night what a joke that was.The placepot should be huge,not even promoted or anything totally useless in saying that the dividends pay absolute peanuts yuou very rarely see a decent result..

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Saturday is one of the best day's racing of the year. How often do you get decent racing through to past midnight?

Personally, I think that if you do some homework you can give yourself a winning chance even if you don't follow it through the year. I have taken the Americans over the Europeans as I think plenty of ours are going there after a long season. Is anyone quoting odds on the number of European winners?

yes dd a few firms have priced up lads, hills, pp etc

I would wait for the final decs though

3 is a good shout. overhyped by media, especially those on a jolly up

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It would be interesting to note what those rubbishing the event think is a good day's racing?

we'd soon complain if it wasn't shown over here
i wouldn't necessarily say the best racing of the year because of the surface but still damned good - 8.5 or up to 9.5 if europe has a few winners

Unless you're an avid follower of American racing, then surely the answer to he question is influenced by the strength of the European challenge, and with that in mind, most years would be worth at least a 7 imo.

would enjoy it more if the uk pundits commentators could talk a bit more about hitting the gates fast,clock in the head, early pace, quarter horses, 26 and change etc,etc, , might have been interesting 20 years ago

Ulysses
Highland Reel
Ribchester
Roly poly
US Navy Flag
Highland Reel
Churchill
Marsha

If all them show up then it's a '10 from Len', imo.

if the BC was the season's target for those runners then i'd make it higher but it's an afterthought for some, imo.

The Top 10 Breeders' Cup Moments

1. Arcangues winning the Classic - A SHOCKER Pari Mutuelly speaking
2. Shadow jumper Dayjur snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
3. Tiznow 'winning it for America'
4. Royal Academy and Lester Piggott thundering down the centre of the turf track
5. High Chaparral coming with a furious run at Arlington
6. High Chaparral and Johar running down Falbrav at Santa Anita
7. The 'incomparable' Cigar
8. Mick Kinane dropping his rein on Giants Causeway
9. Sunday Silence holding on from Easy Goer in a racing epic at Gulfstream
10. Arazi looking a world beater at Churchill Downs

I'm sure you will all agree, a thoroughly well researched, flawless Top 10, with no shocking emissions!

The Top 10 Breeders' Cup Moments

1. Arcangues winning the Classic - A SHOCKER Pari Mutuelly speaking
2. Shadow jumper Dayjur snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
3. Tiznow 'winning it for America'
4. Royal Academy and Lester Piggott thundering down the centre of the turf track
5. High Chaparral coming with a furious run at Arlington
6. High Chaparral and Johar running down Falbrav at Santa Anita
7. The 'incomparable' Cigar
8. Mick Kinane dropping his rein on Giants Causeway
9. Sunday Silence holding on from Easy Goer in a racing epic at Gulfstream
10. Arazi looking a world beater at Churchill Downs

I'm sure you will all agree, a thoroughly well researched, flawless Top 10, with no shocking emissions!

'A daring move by Pat Eddery at the top of the stretch...Strawberry Road is closing hard...England's super filly Pebbles has won it' a truly gobsmacking omishion 

george...all those are 2003 or earlier

I think that says it all really, its not what it was for me either

pebbles got to be top 10 for me too

Zenyatta give the worstest ride in Breeders Cup History by Mike Smith a truly Shocking omission.

There were some great commentaries from Tom Durkin, that Pebbles one being one of his best imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcFaVAZrPTE

Arcangues is still my favourite though, Tom sounds like he's seething at the end of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAz9K1gjUh4

durkin is much missed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB3OkTWfbHk

not the same now

I found Durkin a bit much with his habitual 'and DOWN the stretch they come'. Prefer Trevor Denman. He retired but has made a return to Del Mar

so I hope he's doing the Cup. Never forget his 'This is un-be-lieve-able!' for Zenyatta's stretch run.

Regarding Euro's vs US runners. Over the last 16/17 years US runners have won 114 of 118 on the dirt. Euro's 34 of 79 on the turf.

The dirt results are not out of line as very few Euro's have attempted the dirt especially the juvenile races and sprints.

The turf results for Euro's are very strong when you consider that they only represented about a 1/4 of the starters.

However, the Turf (12f) accounts for 12 of the Euro winners ,so the other turf races amount to Euro's 22, US 40.

Still a good strike rate for the Euros but apart from the Turf ignore the US turf runners at your peril!

personally I found denman's comms a massive turn off & the zenyatta call is diabolical imo
but a lot of people like it

so each to their own

Tony Calo is an American commentator that I prefer. He used to do Golden Gates and Bay Meadows but is at Finger Lakes these days.

To get back to the original question: I've downloaded and studied the American version of the form (far more informative than what you'll get from

the Racing Post or ATR) and printed the official programme. I've already spent at least 20 hours in study (great being retired!) and will probably

spend at least 20 more. For me the Breeder's Cup is great watching and betting. Rolling win threes, exacta payouts far superior to here and form

that is relevant. I will be well prepared for Saturday evening. The ingredients for Margaritas are in the fridge and the pizza and natchos will

keep me sustained. Bring it on!

yes sparrow I like him as well

Mark Johnson said he had backed 0 and 1 European winners - 0 at 100/1. Who's offering those odds? Can't see any Specials listed on Oddschecker.

Very interested, as usual. The highest level race after race, what is not to like?

OK the misty eyed memories of yesteryear are always deemed better, but we move on and what we have is now.

2. I dislike the American ballyhoo!

1. High prize money can never make dull racing interesting.

re the number of winners odds; I saw wh had a market, none was 50-1 and one winner was 12-1

Interested to see how the European runners perform but I have no concept of US form so I will be treating the dirt races as I would a race from Finger Lakes or any other minor track-leave it well alone. I did once attend the BC at Santa Anita and I was fortunate that it was the year in which Ravens Pass, Conduit and others won and I made a decent profit. Probably 4 out of 10 on a par with my enthusiasm for Chelmsford tonight.

The Turf looks an excellent race for exotics.

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even tho 7 years back i think it was a vote on breeders cup interest not the length of your todger, plus you didn't clarify cm or inch, ta

Miss our Lukey pushing the mike up the the American trainer noses and asking stupid questions and seeing how they would want to clobber him,was a good laugh.

10 for me.

With City Of Troy 9 without 4.

3 for me, will watch it but can take it or leave it

As with all horse racing the vast majority of punters would have no interest if they couldn't bet , mind you could say exactly the same about Royal Ascot