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That was the second one to absolutely bolt up on its first start for a new yard, early days yet, but it's something I'm going to be keeping an eye on!
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Go that extra yard.... an eye is not enough... cud be too late
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I was hoping for at least 25s for Winter, it's not even double-figures, even with the apparent 3rd jock on board
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Btw, the one that won for O'Brien was encountering soft ground and a tt for the first time, while the one that won for Harrington, had undergone a wind op.
So they hadn't necessarily improved, just thrived under different circumstances! |
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A few entered at Leopardstown tomorrow as well Rain Goddess and Winter 2.45 ,, Rekindling 3.45,,
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Nice one carrot
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Winter was 16/1 last night.
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By the time I got round to looking, think it was top price 10s; given what it had to find on the figs, wasn't expecting it to be punted, tbh, particularly given the jockey bookings, but there thar go
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Any idea the easiest way to track them George ?
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One running tomorrow at Nottingham George ...... it's 2nd run for trainer mind......was well punted first time but had a valid excuse
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whats it called grayhawk
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Not sure tbh bobbyjo, list all his runners from last year and stick them in your tracker?
There are 3 running tonight 4.45 Tobacco Road (2nd run for JM - was given a 42 day ban following the first one) 6,45 Tessonia (2nd run for Fozzy Stack) 7.45 Clear Skies please note: I think Mr Wachman was a superb trainer and I'm not advising you follow these blind!  |
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cheers grayhawk, i'll have a gander
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Clear Skies 745 Tipperary.
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Sorry. I'd obviously not noticed the other two!
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Yikes, looks like the 3 tonight have been smashed in the betting
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2nd run tonight for the other two, Mikael
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clear skies has had over a year off, had few problems take a lot for it to bounce back
1st run ! cheers george al have a gander thanks , the forums perfect gent as always ! |
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Think you're being disingenuous George and backing and laying on this thread. Your headline can be easily interpreted negatively on DW yet you take 6 days to tell us you were his biggest fan. I'm also thinking "superb" may be stretching the superlative and suggests you are merely mischief-making.
Time will tell if he gave up after losing his mojo and interest in the game and that usually brings opportunities in this game for others. I would offer in similar fashion that being "to the manor born (or adopted)" saw David O'Brien unable to cope and Charles O'Brien never took the game seriously. |
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Thanks for the replies chaps
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again thank you george, missed the good prices on tobacco but winners a winner
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thanks was following with interest. just backed tobaco
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craigie, I didn't tip it, and we don't want RoyalAcademy getting any more angry than he already is!
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always good to see an angle guys
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no but brought to my attention by thread and profit even if other 2 lose so im happy
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not angry George, just looking to see a good debate! It's a good topic I'll grant you!
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Only winding you up, RA, let's just say confrontational then
In all seriousness, obviously two of them had bolted up which prompted the thread, but I did point out there were possible reasons for the apparent improvement (ground / wind-op), and since Rekindling and Winter have won / gone close, and no doubt posted a career-best in doing so, but both had looked promising last year, so maybe it's just natural improvement with racing! |
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it helps that he always had a good class of animal to train so the raw material is already there for anyone taking over
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agree with timeless best horse in the race but stable form iffy in and out !
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ex-Mark Johnston - just gone in -
- on first run for Lady Jane Gillespie - never trained a Flat winner before - and only had 3 Hurdle winners since 2006 |
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won-o-won IR
 And I was all set to do a Meatloaf - 2 out of 3 ain't bad  |
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can someone explain the last comment to me please?
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Johnson has very little to do with any of the horses, wouldn't know one from the other and operates the show from a high-level position. It's paint-by-numbers.
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he's a qualified vet,
I think he knows more than you ! |
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Where did I say I was qualified to train horses? I'm well aware he is a qualified vet, that doesn't mean he is a good trainer, which he isn't. He has the backing of a patron with an unlimited budget who still can't get it right; mainly because he gives horses to people like Johnson.
Whether he knows more than me has nothing to do with it. |
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he's only been training for over 20 years but never mind that
ok, Mark Johnston is not a good trainer  |
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He's not a good trainer no, in my opinion. He has become very wealthy from training, there's a difference.
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Mister Baileys
Fruits of Love Attraction Double Trigger Double Blue Royal Rebel Jukebox Jury Bijou D'Inde The Last Lion Yavanas Pace just a few Group 1 winners from yesteryear without Arab patronage |