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ran the RSA 2nd fav close on soft ground,and hosed up on bad ground at naas
Not true. Anibale Fly finished 2nd to Coney Island on Good/ Yielding - ( this is not soft ground ) ran to his mark of around 148 Anibale Fly beat a horse rated 142 all out by just under a length over on yielding/soft ( was this bad ground?) Yesterday he ran on soft/heavy over 3 miles - he was paddling in the end. |
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so ran to about a 100 yesterday if you think the winner ran to 158
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158 is what the OR has rated that run, he is airing on the side of caution as well.
He is up there with a Smad Place just about on that rating, so if Smad Place beat them by 30+ L would you think that AF ran to a a mark of 100. You have to recognize the class of the winner, but also that AF was all at sea on that ground over 3 miles. |
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Brian Sheerin in the RP on Sunday made a good case for the winner, " The step up to 3m is what he wants and he his likely to try and make a bold bid from the front on ground he loves. He should make his presense felt at least"
I backed Acapella Bourgeois on that basis but still could not believe the amount of rope he was given. The world and his wife knew what the tactics would be so dip your bread in seems to have been the order of the day and he certainly made his presense felt! |
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ran 4 stone below form because of the ground, your talking as though if they met again under the same conditions the fav would be a 250 to 1 shot
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Connections must be looking long term now for the winner, a soft ground National somewhere off 158, that's 3lb higher mark than Native River in the Hennessy and Welsh National.
A Lexus contender for next season? |
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The others were simply fluffing about watching it go clear, never at any stage did they take any interest, the winner would have to be Arkle re-incarnated to beat those horses without breaking sweat.
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so easily that is.
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ran 4 stone below form because of the ground, your talking as though if they met again under the same conditions the fav would be a 250 to 1 shot
I think you need to look at how conditions can create wide margin winners. |
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kevin blake said he was going faster the further he went,so how slow were the rest going early on to be 40 lth behind a winner that was crawling in front
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Kevin Blake said he was steadily building up his advantage from the first fence to the line. That is not a question of speed but pointing out the gap continued to grow. He could have done this at a constant speed.
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That horse never got such a big lead in ANY of his previous races, a good hurdler who won a couple from the front,I was in Thurles the day he nearly came down at the last under Ruby,only to rally and get back up.Fact is they allowed him too much rope, simple as that, and never gave their horses a chance.
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Did they sense the leader was going too fast in those conditions over 3 miles though?
In the end, he kept up his gallop better than those 20L behind did. |
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Many on here will remember the mistake Roger Loughran made in a big race in Ireland a good few years back when he mistook the winning post. His career seemed to go downhill after that. A pity really because he could easily get the top job with Henderson or Nicholls. (IMHO)
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Connections did keep faith with him though stewarty, he kept the ride on Central House in the main for a few years after.
I hope Acapella Burgeois carries on improving for him, there could be a huge win coming up somewhere with this horse if conditions are right. |
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Stewartb,His career did go downhill after that, I think he even went a few months without riding a winner.Tom Foley, he of Danoli fame, did his best for him,gave him as many rides as possible,a friend of mine also put him up on one of his from that stable.I personally am delighted for the chap.
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Interesting to read Donn Mcclean's piece on this race in today's Irish Field.In it he gives the actual time gap at each fence which totally disproves much of the hysteria on this thread.For those who can't read the piece it basically says that the winner extended his advantage gradually through the race and was further in front at the line than any other point of the race.
I still ask a question that I asked earlier...Why did the field not close on the winner from the end of the back straight when they were being much more vigorously ridden than the horse in front? It will be fascinating to see how many (if any) reply. |
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According to Simon Rowlands in today's Irish Field .
The winner was gifted a sizable early lead_at which stage he was running up to ten lengths SLOWER than par for the conditions_and continued to increase the advantage,even when the jockeys on his rivals finally got serious in pursuing him. |
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It took Acapella Bourgeois 155 seconds to go from the 1st fence down the back to the last fence in the home straight on the first circuit. On the second circuit it took him 144 seconds to cover that same ground. He was cantering when building up his lead on the first circuit. The lengths ahead of the second is totally misleading here because the 2 horses who occupied second place at a point in the race ran extremely different races.
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Custom Cut...While the same horse was not in second all the time he still extended his advantage over every horse in the race throughout the last mile especially.While pace is obviously a factor it still remains a fact that he went faster than the rest for the first 2 miles.Despite expecting more energy over that part of the race he was able to extend his lead over rivals who were harder ridden.I am asking the question why they did not close?
Workrider you had a losing bet on the race which seemed to trigger your post.You claimed the leader was at least 12 seconds in front which was a huge exaggeration.I am asking the same question of you as Custom Cut. I am not saying the the rest of the runners got very good rides.I am just wondering how the result could have been different? |
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Agreed Tolmi I had a losing bet on the race,a not unusual occurrence I might add,in fact I have had MANY a losing bet,and likely as not will have a few more @ Naas today.But rarely do I rush home full of anger as I did last Sunday.What happened was shambolic and i make no apologies for what I said,it simply brought Irish racing into disrepute imo .If you read Rowlands comments below,it begs the question,how was he allowed build up such an advantage while going so SLOWLY.
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Workrider, you need to only look at the way the others finished the race - legless - to see that they went a proper gallop in the conditions.Had they gone any faster earlier they couldn't have finished. The winner was simply in a different league. The stewards were dead right not to hold an enquiry.There was nothing to see apart from a superb performance from AB. Brought Irish racing into disrepute my hole.Do yourself a favour and just let it go.
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Firstimevisor,well how then do you account for the fact they went so SLOWLY at the start that NONE were asked to stay will him. Now if he was BOMBING along early doors then I could understand your argument, fact is the clock shows otherwise.
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Well if they went too slowly early on then why were they going up and down on the spot at the finish? They should have been closing on the winner and finishing their race off well. These are experienced jockeys, their job is to go off at a pace they can maintain to the line,which they just about managed to do.
As an example there was a bumper in Leopardstown a few years back where the rest of the jockeys allowed a rag a huge lead. They ignored the leader and crawled in behind. The pack were mowing the leader down and practically sprinting at the end. All the beaten amateur jocks got a holiday.What happened last Sunday was completely different.They just couldn't live with the winner. |
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The early clock tells a different story mate.
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The late clock tells me all I need to know
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Well if that's the case it blows you case out of the water!.You seem to think that he was bombing it the whole way round,when in fact he was going so slow he was way BEHIND average.Great logic mate...
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My argument is simple workrider, if they got the fractions wrong and went too slow early they would have been accelerating and closing late.
What actually happened is that the winner went a faster pace than the others all through the race right to the line despite never having to come under pressure. Not sure what your argument is cos its not making much sense |
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Sectionals show both Haymount and Road To Respect ran way faster on the second circuit than the first, some early gallop that. My opinion is most in the race ran a shocker but were still ridden so poorly as to warrant a ban. Road To Respect was by far the least efficiently ridden and should've got way closer as he ran perfectly well. Here's the full sectional analysis from Declan Meagher:
http://www.cheltenhamtips.ie/acapella-bourgeois-performance-tells-us-stewards-right-not-hold-inquiry/ |
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The allegation that this is simply pocket talking is too easy. In fact I backed the winner having decided that the torrent of money for it pre race was simply too smelly to ignore. The subsequent race was laughable, if they are going to steal people's money at least don't make it so obvious next time eh?
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Getting ready to leave for Naas shortly, lets hope there no repeat of last week.
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imo you can forget anything that happened in the later stages the jocks behind new by then they dropped a clanger and wernt going to compound it by giving their horse a hard finish and still get beat and prove they,d run an injudicious race, imo
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the favs performed on the ground before,the trainer was happy to run it ,but in a race you claim to be run on its merits its ran 40 lb below its best
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My sincere apologies.One horse closed up by a massive almost 2 seconds at 1 point in the last mile.This obviously blows all my theories out of the water.
Strange however that you never mention an eased down AB extending this advantage from the second last to the line despite the second being much harder ridden. |
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cant wait to see how these horses are priced up next time they run,theres little chance of anyone backing with real money their opinions on here
any race besides a grade 1 you can have your life on the winner unless its dropped stones you couldnt touch the fav but we no it wont play out like that if the winner gets beat trainer jockey etc wil say it got an easy lead in a funny race last time,if the fav runs back to its mark the connections will say the same |
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and f course if you believe what you read on here under similar conditions its always going to get an easy lead because anyone trying to lay up closer will be finished by halfway,
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Well said 1st,Custom and Captain also seem to see the race for what it really was ,a shambles..Naas here we come!
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