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.....That Was A Disgrace And Make No Mistake .....
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I'm confused now. Were they non triers or doubtful stayers? Did the favourite run on its merits or just not 'lift a leg'?
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no way the fav ran too its merits everton but on this ground don't think the fav wd have beat it on form lines from last year not much between the fav and the winner , clearly the winner exels in bog like ground , the rest dont stay imo still it was a good performance by the winner , but how their was no inquiry into the riding of the fav beggars belief barry thinks he is untouchable now , punters are loosing confidence in the authorities , at no point did barry make an effort to close until the race was over at that point not even shergar wd have made up the ground people will start to think twice about betting over their how can anyone have confidence after seeing this debacle unfold it has to go
down as one of the most blatant none jiggers of all time , be nice if you new what was going down , nice lay on the win and place market on the fav  |
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If the ride on Anibale Fly was that bad can anyone answer the following 2 questions..
Why could be not pass the rest of the runners to finish a staying on second? Why did he not close on the leader when he was ridden along from 4 out? |
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The winner won well nobody is saying otherwise,the fact of the matter is NONE of the jockeys let their horses get involved till it was too late, I said they'd let him get too far ahead after 3 fences.Fly had won a G3 the last day ffs.The winner had won a beginners lto,Fly in its last race was never far behind , and finished 30 yes thats right 30lts ahead of the third that day ,so there was no fear of him not staying.It was simply shambolic,as everyone on here knows I'd defend Irish racing to the death, but that was rancid.
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watching race with me mrs, she knows nowt about horse racing( same as me
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irrespective of the time of the race, the going and that the winner is the next don cossack, none of the riders in behind gave their horses any chance whatsoever of winning the race and that anibale fly couldn't even finish second doesn't change a thing - the stewards, as part of the irish racing establishment, have no interest in investigating and adding credence to the opinion of many that irish racing is run for the benefit of a very select few, and ATR are never going to rock the boat over there as they're losing course by course in UK.
as punters we have the choice on where to place our money, IMO irish racing is about one level up from FOBT and Frankel Park, best to watch, don't bet and wait until they arrive at cheltenham/aintree when they finally have to race on their merits if they're going to pay for the travel expenses.. whilst there are races in UK which merit much more scrutiny than they get in the media, press, the lack of consisten form and riding tactics in ireland just make it too much of a minefield |
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Correct Gordon, the lack of effort was the damning feature .
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It was a complete joke, just imagine the other world wide racing establishments watching that, what do you think their opinion would be?
Complete lack of integrity after that farce, Irish racing would have been laughed at yesterday after that. Imagine that happening in Hong Kong for example, not a chance, cause they'd all be banned for life if it did |
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They had it right off Wonks. A huge gamble into 7/2 and they laid the boll ix out of the fav... blah blah blah.
The winner would have won if he had given them a 10L start. He is very like Un De Seaux(obviously nowhere near as good)in that he handles desperate ground better than most, high cruising speed and he pinged everything. The fav was fooked from the start because he needed something to chase the winner which never happened. Those in behind finished legless!!!! |
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The trouble with Irish racing is that it's 'incestuous'.Everybody knows everybody and everybody's dog!
I was in a betting shop some years ago just outside Dublin.At first there was no-one else but all of a sudden about a dozen punters came in and it was clear they were betting the same horse,running in a handicap that had shown zero to date but was only 3-1.More and more people came in, the horse duly dotted up and a good time was had by all in the pub next door! |
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Just watched the race and imo well done to Roger Loughran. This beast has went off at 6/1 or less in it's last ten races. Took the bull by the horns and it paid off. Well done I say.
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That was probably an action reply if Coneygree had been in the race at 1/8
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Don't thin the winner ever got out of a canter which made it worse!
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4,5 out the other jocks new they,d foooked up,after that you dont really think b g for one was going to compound the fook up by finishing a closing 2nd,had 2 poor jumps once bg new the bird had flown,
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stewarty b - its got nothing to do with the price of the winner or a good winning ride, its the blatant lack of integrity in the other riders and in particular the stewards (whose job it is on the day to investigate but on this occasion deemed it not necessary)..I guess the 'establishment' are now hoping for the winner to go unbeaten in next 18 months and for those in behind never to win again to rubber stamp their 'wisdom'...of course they'll have ready made excuse when AB gets beat, different going blah blah
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You could re-run that race 100 times and Anibale Fly would not get within 12lb of the winner over that c&d.
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A tragic example of nobody doing a tap.
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stewarty b - its got nothing to do with the price of the winner or a good winning ride, its the blatant lack of integrity in the other riders and in particular the stewards (whose job it is on the day to investigate but on this occasion deemed it not necessary)..I guess the 'establishment' are now hoping for the winner to go unbeaten in next 18 months and for those in behind never to win again to rubber stamp their 'wisdom'...of course they'll have ready made excuse when AB gets beat, different going blah blah
Gordon63, ZenMaster answers for me in this particular scenario. |
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Perhaps BG was under orders to protect the stamina tank on his mount. Not a proven 3 miler on that ground. In the end that seemed to be the case, a non stayer in the bog.
No point rowing away early doors to catch a horse ploughing through the bog only to see your horse legless and tailed off and pulled up. The winner was a different class to the others over hurdles and has extended that class gulf over fences now he has his trip and ground. In hindsight, the market had it very wrong. Nothing to see here. |
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Yeah but it gets tiresome that anytime anything looks dodgy it can only happen in Ireland, according to the same people on here.
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If all Jockets riding never let the horse in front ever get too far in front there would
be some real strange results  |
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That's a challenging sentence that you there did there just post there BM
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I had to read it twice but say it fast it sounds right
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The fact remains , nobody tried to put their horse into the race, MJK you know I'm a stout defender of Irish racing,but that just beggered belief .
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gotta be honest i much prefer the irish racing from a punting view as you get 25 runner nov hurdles but no more than 4/5 have any kind of a chance, the sheer uncompetitiveness of it makes it such value to play hoarsest the front of the market each way. ireland= each way heaven
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The fact remains , nobody tried to put their horse into the race, MJK you know I'm a stout defender of Irish racing,but that just beggered belief .
Ruby tried more than most and he paid the price, perhaps? The winner is in a different league to these class wise on deep ground over 3 miles. Time will tell but this horse is a beast on deep ground. |
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The handicapper was impressed.Up to a mark of 158.
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Funnily enough I saw Sandra and Noel share a joke in the stands just before the race started, I wonder will she find that funny now.
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158 puts him in with the place horses in the Betfair Ascot Chase behind Cue Card.
He was simply in a different league. |
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so what mark does it give graded winner aminable fly on yesterdays run,which is the real question aint it,
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martin will be getting the euro,s ready for anyone thinking yesterdays winner will beat the fly next time they meet,if your convinced yesterdays race was right ,they were 6to 4, 7 to 2 ,you must have the fly at a huge price if they meet again,i,m sure mr martin will accomodate you
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Or when its allowed to show its best.
First time over 3 miles on deep ground. This is his game. |
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so what mark does it give graded winner aminable fly on yesterdays run,which is the real question aint it, Wink
Never run over 3 miles on deep ground. This is not his game. |
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you,ve missed the most important piece out
3 miles,deep ground and a 50lgth start, |
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Is that classed as 'fake news' 1st time poster?
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ran the RSA 2nd fav close on soft ground,and hosed up on bad ground at naas
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