French Racing handicap rating for a horse?

The French racing sites are some of the most confusing you can come across, have had acess to one for years and have still not found the french ratings which are in different measurement?

Cheers John. I have Google translate page on it and all, still couldn't figure it out!
Maybe onlooker has come across this in his handicapping studies?
He seems to be an expert on handicap ratings.

Dec 30, 2016 -- 12:01PM, Roger De Bris wrote:

Cheers John. I have Google translate page on it and all, still couldn't figure it out!Maybe onlooker has come across this in his handicapping studies?He seems to be an expert on handicap ratings.

Yes I have been trying for 8 years, have found one or two, but no official list, you have to divide by 2 and a bit when you find one9or something like that?) not sure you gotta pay, what a fecking mess of a site.

If someone does know how to get the ratings on the site, please post a descriptive method to access! Much appreciated.

8 years! That's pain!
Bout time the BHA and the FHA? (France Galop)got together and sorted this mess out!

Any good/

http://www.france-galop.com/fr/node/76

scroll down to "Publication of values"

Dec 30, 2016 -- 12:07PM, koikeeper wrote:

Any good/http://www.france-galop.com/fr/node/76scroll down to "Publication of values"

Gonna try this thanks koikeeper!

Koikeeper I love you 8 years and I could not find that page, translte change on every page i tried.

BOOKMARKED!

Looks like a great starting point!
Thanks to koikeeper for clearing the mystery up!
I think the French ones are in kilos so multiply by 2.21 seems to look close.
Do they publish new ratings weekly like the BHA?
Are these just end of year ratings?
At least now we know you can check the French results and multiply by 2.21 and you will be close to a rating.

Dec 30, 2016 -- 12:19PM, Roger De Bris wrote:

Looks like a great starting point!Thanks to koikeeper for clearing the mystery up!I think the French ones are in kilos so multiply by 2.21 seems to look close.Do they publish new ratings weekly like the BHA?Are these just end of year ratings?At least now we know you can check the French results and multiply by 2.21 and you will be close to a rating.

Same questions for koikeeper if he can help?, just looked at individual horse search but no rating attached where I looked anyway?

Think what we are looking for is a results page like the Racing Post with the French kilo ratings beside the horses name.
Maybe France Galop have this somewhere.

What about this..

http://www.france-galop.com/fr/hommes-chevaux/valeurs

yes, that would be excellent roger!     mind you the amount of races with no pace over that side of the channel is beyond belief? Two-furlong sprints if ya lucky.

Dec 30, 2016 -- 12:34PM, koikeeper wrote:

What about this..http://www.france-galop.com/fr/hommes-chevaux/valeurs

Koikeeper delivers once more, many thanks!

Okay I'll pick a race and see if we can find this horse's handicap rating on the day.
22nd November 2016 at Chantilly on the sand. Race 6 a handicap won by Firouzeh.
Anyone can put a link up to show the result of the race and the handicap rating Firouzeh was racing off.
I have the result page from France Galop and can't seem to see it.
Here's a link.
http://www.france-galop.com/fr/course/detail/2016/P/MlRzSFlWY0VKTzRLVzF0RDdxTzc3QT09

and here's a link for his career.
http://www.france-galop.com/fr/cheval/VVF4YzJnL1BTcnliM3BoNjQ2NTBtdz09

Cant find the horses rating on that day, only gives the rating for now.

Okay that confirms the mystery!
Do you have a link for his rating now koi please and could you tell us what that is?

if you have a look at     KINGSPONE,,   http://www.france-galop.com/fr/cheval/dTZQeXZQSjZUYmN1alBYMWZBR1lodz09

it has 3 ratings/values one for each year?

Roger De Bris 30 Dec 16 12:58
Okay that confirms the mystery!
Do you have a link for his rating now koi please and could you tell us what that is?

http://www.france-galop.com/fr/cheval/VVF4YzJnL1BTcnliM3BoNjQ2NTBtdz09


FIROUZEH USA  To follow
FEMALE PS BAI

Born on 28/02/2013
By EXCHANGE RATE and Fortunia ( LEROIDESANIMAUX )

Coach A. Fabre (S)

Owners MRS ANDRE FABRE

Breeders O. Janeen

Entitlement to the premium not

FEE Qualified Yes

Last Value Information  :  DISH Last value: 395 on 22.11.2016 in CHANTILLY
Music: 1p6p1p 2p (15) 2p3p3p

Credit transport allowances: € 2,709

RACING

Okay I'm looking at Kingspone.
Can't see a rating.
Is it that number under values (350) for the Chantilly race?

So Firouzeh got a 395 rating and Kingspone got a 350 for that Chantilly race.
How do we make sense of that if one of them showed up in a handicap here?

yes, as far as I know, they seem to get/publish one at the end of the year lol

Mad! LOL.
At least we have the RPR's from the Racing Post as a guide.

If I may assist - when you look at the page on France Galop that gives you one line for each race the horse has oontested, what you see under 'Valeurs' on the far right, is the rating allocated to the horse AFTER the race shown on that line.

So for Firouzeh, her handicap mark was raised to 395 after she'd won that handicap on Nov 22nd. The mark she ran off in that handicap is always the number shown under Valeurs for the previous race - in this case 365. And 365 was the revised mark after she'd run in the Nov 1st handicap off 370.

Unlike in the UK, there is no weekly updating - all revised handicap marks are published on France Galop within three days of a race, usually it only takes two days. The other major difference is that no horse is ever raised for being beaten in a handicap, not even if you finish second in a photo.

For comparing the Franch values with those in the UK, I find it easiest just to remember that 300 = 66, 350 = 77, 400 = 88 and 450 = 99. That gives you a pretty good idea of the class of horse you're looking at.

Over jumps 500 = 110, 550 = 121, 600 = 132, 650 = 143 and so on.

If Alan Potts isn't forumite of the year I don't know who is.
Thank you Alan for your help on this matter, maybe now more UK punters can enjoy French Racing a bit more with this data.
You were always a part of my youth growing up as a punter and it's great to hear from you.
I sit here with my copy of Against The Crowd and I salute you.
Many thanks kind sir.

2.20462 kilos to pounds!

Found winning rating for the Arc = 560 = 56.0 X 2,20462 = 123

looks spot on with British handicapper!

8 years of pain wiped away by Dr Alan Potts.
It's a happy day!

Just to add, that as mentioned above, the official ratings are not shown on the results provided on France Galop. But they are available on the entries/declarations which will appear on the Races page. That gives you a list of meetings, click on a meeting to get a list of races and click on a race to get a list of entries/declarations and on that page, even for non handicap ratings, you will find the current rating.

Bear in mind that handicap marks are not the fetish they are in the UK, as there are only a limited number of handicaps and a horse can have a perfectly good career without ever running in a handicap. There will be plenty of horses in those entry lists that have no mark, because they've never been allocated one.

Thanks TheAnorak

Is there anywhere online to watch live French racing?

you can't beat ATR and RUK, plenty of streams for those, otherwise the french bookmarking sites worth a look, or paying cash as far as I know?

Hunt around this site - https://www.pmu.fr/turf/#!/02102015

Got the trotting replays on here - http://www.pmu.fr/turf/live-et-replay/    like a scene from Ben Hur

Wow some hard luck stories race 2 vincennes, we should syndicate for one of those for a koo at Tir Prince!

Thanks metro, says I cant view in my country though

http://zeturf.tv/ZEplayer/?c=1& yes problems with that you perhaps could use a free VPN from france? try Ghost5

http://www.cyberghostvpn.com/en_gb/download/windows-vpn

You can pick and change server location from above link on france,  USA etc, it takes a few minutes to load but you got 3 hours until it changes location without disconnecting, excellent free tool!

I use this, which works most times, but objects to ad blocking software:

lewebtvbouquetfrancophone.overblog.com

Just scroll down the page to find France Galop Direct.

I also pay 10euros per month to Equidia for access to their full replay archive.

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