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22 Dec 16 22:01
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On our current laying unfit horses stats we are up to about 800 lays with nothing winning at

least last 300 bets. So that's 300 winners in a row.

800 lays – 781 have been successful – 11 have won – payout $132 – Strike rate 97.62%

Profits:  800 units – pay out 132 – 668 – 6,680% profit in the last 10 weeks.

I have maintained this strike rate at times up to 2,000 - 3,000 lays on many occassions.

All good

Jim
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Report chavman December 22, 2016 10:03 PM GMT
the insanity has stayed at 100%.impressive.
Report chavman December 22, 2016 10:04 PM GMT
oh i forgot


chav
Report roida December 22, 2016 10:28 PM GMT
value bet

what do you want a fcuking curly wurly?

steve
Report value bet December 22, 2016 10:32 PM GMT
That also means that fitter horses win 97.62% of the time and no losing streaks, ever.

Pre race fitness is the new form code to not lose on the punt, that's all.

It's saves you scratching your head, when you have done nothing wrong, just not fit enough to win.

Jim
Report s.kenbo December 22, 2016 10:44 PM GMT
Can you show me your working out for your percentage claims?
Report roida December 22, 2016 11:39 PM GMT
how exactly do you ascertain that the horse is unfit? Paddock watching?
Report chavman December 22, 2016 11:45 PM GMT
have you a proofed record to this statistic please
Report angeleyz December 22, 2016 11:46 PM GMT
im confused ???

as roida says how are you deciding which horse is unfit.are you on course or using pics from tv?
Report chavman December 22, 2016 11:46 PM GMT
sample last 50 bf recorded
Report roida December 23, 2016 12:07 AM GMT
last 3 mths p&l would do nicely.
Report value bet December 23, 2016 12:35 AM GMT
Yes,

I do paddock watching around the world live, mainly Australia, Singapore and Hong Kong as a good look is not
available in most other countries for me, from my house in Melbourne.

Off my computer screens (3) going at once.

All post pre race, live.

I have rated mega millions of horses, harness and greyhounds since 1987.

More later as I keeping working on native IT software for punters.

I have tipped nearly $900k recently in the last 50 odd race days of exotics.

The average is $17k per day.

Have a nice Xmas and taking a spell now.

As mentioned, when you lose you have done nothing wrong as the form says it should win, the only
thing is, it was not fit enough, so that is the reason.

Thanks

Jim
Report value bet December 23, 2016 12:48 AM GMT
Just to clear up,

Punting is not about picking 1 horse to win it is about hedging or dutching
a group of fittest horses and use them as commodities, to return a profit.


1.    I do live fitness % tips from the mounting yards around the world 4-12 minute’s b4 they jump.
2.    Follow our top two fittest horse lines and lower lines are unfit and the horses for laying.
3.    Use top two fitness lines for value bets and exotics.
4.    I break the field into half, FIT AND UNFIT; then half again with the fitter horses for top line ratings, a huge NEW huge edge for punters
5.    Horse fitness is not in any form guides in the world; until now.

         
•    Wednesday recently: $80k of exotics from top 2 fitness lines in one day, with many winners on top.
•    Sandown 57% WIN STRIKE RATE fittest horse, nice work!
•    Nearly $900,000 in exotics in just over 52 race days. 

I often do double headers, fitness tips in the afternoon in Victoria, New South Wales, Queensland and then over to Asia till the early
hours of the morning.

I did a 17 hour live session on twitter one day, 1-2 tips only, selected races and got 50 winners out of these 2 selections, from all over the world;
all codes.

I don't want to get into an arguement with anyone, have a nice Xmas.

See you in the new year.
Report chavman December 23, 2016 1:26 AM GMT
look forward JIM

im sure its gonna be FUN dissecting this SH1T
Report s.kenbo December 23, 2016 8:22 AM GMT
Profits:  800 units – pay out 132 – 668 – 6,680% profit in the last 10 weeks.

That's the line where I don't get your percentage claims. ^^^

Also, judging by your losing lays, it looks like you're averaging around 12/1 shots. So that'd mean you've risked about 10,000 points for a profit of 668 points. Would that be a 7% ROI?
Report marko69 December 23, 2016 9:36 AM GMT
WALOFS

WAC
Report value bet December 23, 2016 10:11 AM GMT
If you have 800 bets at evens and nil losses you win?

If you have 800 bets and lose 132 combined odds, how much have you won?

I know you have not lost.

Jim
Report cardifffc December 23, 2016 10:14 AM GMT
aussie BIGMART.............NAP
Report Lee Ho Fooks December 23, 2016 10:35 AM GMT
I'll settle for turkey this Christmas, thanks
Report s.kenbo December 23, 2016 10:48 AM GMT
If you have 800 bets at evens and nil losses you win?
- Correct

If you have 800 bets and lose 132 combined odds, how much have you won?
- 668 points.

But that is not 6,680% profit

Report STATSMAN December 23, 2016 10:56 AM GMT
Grin
Report roida December 23, 2016 11:54 AM GMT
had PM  aussie $ paypal accepted.
Report value bet December 23, 2016 12:58 PM GMT
I'll get to the bottom or this, it is only maths.


800 bets x $1, you win $1600 back.

So have you won 100%, 1,000%, 10,000%?

Each bet wins you 100% (double your money, so you have won 100% with 800 straight wins. Can't be right.

So is it 800 x 100% = 80,000% profit?


I you have 800 bets and 132 looses = 668 points profit

668 points x 100% = 66,800% profit.

Or is it 66.8% and that is 668 winners out of 800, that is not right,surely?

After all it is only maths!

Jim
Report big aitch December 23, 2016 1:19 PM GMT
get a new calculator you fool
Report seaview December 23, 2016 1:21 PM GMT
Quote.

I you have 800 bets and 132 looses = 668 points profit (losers.btw)

You have a winning S/R of 83.5% winning bets.this has nothing to do with
profit and loss.

Also,how can you determine a horse that you have never seen before,isn't
one that always carries above the average amount of condition.

Have you ever seen Red Brook Lad.
Report sugarfoot December 23, 2016 1:44 PM GMT
value bet • December 23, 2016 12:58 PM GMT
I'll get to the bottom or this, it is only maths.

800 bets x $1, you win $1600 back.

So have you won 100%, 1,000%, 10,000%?

Each bet wins you 100% (double your money, so you have won 100% with 800 straight wins. Can't be right.

So is it 800 x 100% = 80,000% profit?

I you have 800 bets and 132 looses = 668 points profit

668 points x 100% = 66,800% profit.

Or is it 66.8% and that is 668 winners out of 800, that is not right,surely?

After all it is only maths!

Jim


And it is only the maths you don't understand (or apply inappropriately on purpose)

The % profit is related to what you are risking; no other measure makes sense

If you bet $800, return $1600 and profit $800, then your % profit is 800/800 x 100 = 100%

If you lay to win $800, the risk depends on the odds of the lays

If you lay a horse at $11, you are risking $10 to win $1, so your % profit is 1/10 x 100 = 10%
If you lay a horse at $2, you are risking $1 to win $1, so your % profit is 1/1 x 100 = 100%
If you lay a horse at $51, you are risking $50 to win $1, so your % profit is 1/50 x 100 = 2%

Someone suggested your average lay is about $13 (12/1), so you have risked $9600 to win $668, a profit of 668/9600 x 100 = 7%

If you want people to take you seriously, you have to get this right.  Otherwise people with think that you either (1) don't understand %s, pricing or risk or (2) you are trying to con the innocent.  In either case you will get a rough ride on here
Report stridingedge December 23, 2016 2:14 PM GMT
800 lays – 781 have been successful – 11 have won – payout $132 – Strike rate 97.62%

so 800 lays and only 19 losers with total liabilities of only 132 units (avg price 6.95)

I've posted exactly what Sugarfoot has on this subject regarding the need for a proper calculation of returns vs liabilities to give a proper ROI, the profit% is irrelevant without this.

The fact the losers were only averaging a price of 6.95 would suggest that over 800 bets this is highly unbelievable scenario and this is before the looking at horses on a tv screen to give fitness ratings down to 0.1 of a % is to be believed.

I know it's Christmas but this quite frankly stinks the place out!
Report roida December 23, 2016 2:44 PM GMT
looses is when laces become undone

wac
Report s.kenbo December 23, 2016 2:54 PM GMT
He said eleven lays won, I'm guessing the other eight were N'R's? So his average lay would be 12/1. At those odds you'd expect to be able to lay them blind and have strike rate just a few points below what he's claiming.
Report stridingedge December 23, 2016 3:00 PM GMT
i guessed he'd probably added up the losing lays wrong and adjusted it, no point telling us about nonners really is there?
Report s.kenbo December 23, 2016 3:05 PM GMT
Nothing would surprise me.
Report JetLoneStar December 23, 2016 3:42 PM GMT
where do i sign up jim i want to win the monies
Report value bet December 23, 2016 9:51 PM GMT
I think no one knows the answers on how much profit, or there probably is not one.

11 lays have won, not 19.

I put $1 on and get back $2 on a lay, (this is all about lays).

Getting $2 back I have made 100% profit.

Do it 800 times x 100% and u have 80,000% profit less liabilities - 13,200?

I am getting a head ache here and I appreciate the effort by all.

What u risk is irrevelant as you win 100% of your stake each time, and yes then you have to payout your liabilites which were $132.

All free and new software January so no issues of signing up for anything.

Thanks all.


P.S.  Sorry to keep on and on, buy how would I say my strike rates are with laying, thats easy enough 97.62%,
but I cannot say how much profit?

Seems odds.

If I have 1 successful lay a meeting, that is 100% profit?

Also this is all not applicable if only you have a packet to bet on or do you?


I call my fitter horses either 5-6-7 a race and they generally run 1-2-3-4

Then I call the unfit horses on lower fitness percentages.

Some races there are more unfit horses racing against me such as 6 fit and 12 unfit, which is a
murderous system, but non beat me, even with big numbers in their favour.

It's just the 2.38% that knock me off.

Now I have got a head ache, thanks Jim
Report s.kenbo December 23, 2016 10:08 PM GMT
800 lays – 781 have been successful – 11 have won - What about the other eight bets first?
Report value bet December 24, 2016 1:16 AM GMT
789 have been successful, my maths is bad!

Let's move on, this is silly.

Obviously there is no profit figure to the answer.

Jim
Report roida December 24, 2016 12:43 PM GMT
value bet    23 Dec 16 21:51 


I put $1 on and get back $2 on a lay, (this is all about lays).

can you elucidate this bit please
Report casemoney December 24, 2016 1:32 PM GMT
OP clearly suffering from mental illness ,nothing to see here move along.
Report Latalomne December 24, 2016 2:17 PM GMT
Ho ho ho!  Crazy
Report ProSniper December 26, 2016 2:33 AM GMT
Are you around Jimmy?

I'm interested in Prescience in the 2nd at Newcastle. I'm close to pulling the trigger..but I'd be much happier if you could assure me on its fitness levels first?
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