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On our current laying unfit horses stats we are up to about 800 lays with nothing winning at

least last 300 bets. So that's 300 winners in a row.

800 lays – 781 have been successful – 11 have won – payout $132 – Strike rate 97.62%

Profits:  800 units – pay out 132 – 668 – 6,680% profit in the last 10 weeks.

I have maintained this strike rate at times up to 2,000 - 3,000 lays on many occassions.

All good

Jim

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By:
chavman
When: 22 Dec 16 22:03
the insanity has stayed at 100%.impressive.
By:
chavman
When: 22 Dec 16 22:04
oh i forgot


chav
By:
roida
When: 22 Dec 16 22:28
value bet

what do you want a fcuking curly wurly?

steve
By:
value bet
When: 22 Dec 16 22:32
That also means that fitter horses win 97.62% of the time and no losing streaks, ever.

Pre race fitness is the new form code to not lose on the punt, that's all.

It's saves you scratching your head, when you have done nothing wrong, just not fit enough to win.

Jim
By:
s.kenbo
When: 22 Dec 16 22:44
Can you show me your working out for your percentage claims?
By:
roida
When: 22 Dec 16 23:39
how exactly do you ascertain that the horse is unfit? Paddock watching?
By:
chavman
When: 22 Dec 16 23:45
have you a proofed record to this statistic please
By:
angeleyz
When: 22 Dec 16 23:46
im confused ???

as roida says how are you deciding which horse is unfit.are you on course or using pics from tv?
By:
chavman
When: 22 Dec 16 23:46
sample last 50 bf recorded
By:
roida
When: 23 Dec 16 00:07
last 3 mths p&l would do nicely.
By:
value bet
When: 23 Dec 16 00:35
Yes,

I do paddock watching around the world live, mainly Australia, Singapore and Hong Kong as a good look is not
available in most other countries for me, from my house in Melbourne.

Off my computer screens (3) going at once.

All post pre race, live.

I have rated mega millions of horses, harness and greyhounds since 1987.

More later as I keeping working on native IT software for punters.

I have tipped nearly $900k recently in the last 50 odd race days of exotics.

The average is $17k per day.

Have a nice Xmas and taking a spell now.

As mentioned, when you lose you have done nothing wrong as the form says it should win, the only
thing is, it was not fit enough, so that is the reason.

Thanks

Jim
By:
value bet
When: 23 Dec 16 00:48
Just to clear up,

Punting is not about picking 1 horse to win it is about hedging or dutching
a group of fittest horses and use them as commodities, to return a profit.


1.    I do live fitness % tips from the mounting yards around the world 4-12 minute’s b4 they jump.
2.    Follow our top two fittest horse lines and lower lines are unfit and the horses for laying.
3.    Use top two fitness lines for value bets and exotics.
4.    I break the field into half, FIT AND UNFIT; then half again with the fitter horses for top line ratings, a huge NEW huge edge for punters
5.    Horse fitness is not in any form guides in the world; until now.

         
•    Wednesday recently: $80k of exotics from top 2 fitness lines in one day, with many winners on top.
•    Sandown 57% WIN STRIKE RATE fittest horse, nice work!
•    Nearly $900,000 in exotics in just over 52 race days. 

I often do double headers, fitness tips in the afternoon in Victoria, New South Wales, Queensland and then over to Asia till the early
hours of the morning.

I did a 17 hour live session on twitter one day, 1-2 tips only, selected races and got 50 winners out of these 2 selections, from all over the world;
all codes.

I don't want to get into an arguement with anyone, have a nice Xmas.

See you in the new year.
By:
chavman
When: 23 Dec 16 01:26
look forward JIM

im sure its gonna be FUN dissecting this SH1T
By:
s.kenbo
When: 23 Dec 16 08:22
Profits:  800 units – pay out 132 – 668 – 6,680% profit in the last 10 weeks.

That's the line where I don't get your percentage claims. ^^^

Also, judging by your losing lays, it looks like you're averaging around 12/1 shots. So that'd mean you've risked about 10,000 points for a profit of 668 points. Would that be a 7% ROI?
By:
marko69
When: 23 Dec 16 09:36
WALOFS

WAC
By:
value bet
When: 23 Dec 16 10:11
If you have 800 bets at evens and nil losses you win?

If you have 800 bets and lose 132 combined odds, how much have you won?

I know you have not lost.

Jim
By:
cardifffc
When: 23 Dec 16 10:14
aussie BIGMART.............NAP
By:
Lee Ho Fooks
When: 23 Dec 16 10:35
I'll settle for turkey this Christmas, thanks
By:
s.kenbo
When: 23 Dec 16 10:48
If you have 800 bets at evens and nil losses you win?
- Correct

If you have 800 bets and lose 132 combined odds, how much have you won?
- 668 points.

But that is not 6,680% profit

By:
STATSMAN
When: 23 Dec 16 10:56
Grin
By:
roida
When: 23 Dec 16 11:54
had PM  aussie $ paypal accepted.
By:
value bet
When: 23 Dec 16 12:58
I'll get to the bottom or this, it is only maths.


800 bets x $1, you win $1600 back.

So have you won 100%, 1,000%, 10,000%?

Each bet wins you 100% (double your money, so you have won 100% with 800 straight wins. Can't be right.

So is it 800 x 100% = 80,000% profit?


I you have 800 bets and 132 looses = 668 points profit

668 points x 100% = 66,800% profit.

Or is it 66.8% and that is 668 winners out of 800, that is not right,surely?

After all it is only maths!

Jim
By:
big aitch
When: 23 Dec 16 13:19
get a new calculator you fool
By:
seaview
When: 23 Dec 16 13:21
Quote.

I you have 800 bets and 132 looses = 668 points profit (losers.btw)

You have a winning S/R of 83.5% winning bets.this has nothing to do with
profit and loss.

Also,how can you determine a horse that you have never seen before,isn't
one that always carries above the average amount of condition.

Have you ever seen Red Brook Lad.
By:
sugarfoot
When: 23 Dec 16 13:44
value bet • December 23, 2016 12:58 PM GMT
I'll get to the bottom or this, it is only maths.

800 bets x $1, you win $1600 back.

So have you won 100%, 1,000%, 10,000%?

Each bet wins you 100% (double your money, so you have won 100% with 800 straight wins. Can't be right.

So is it 800 x 100% = 80,000% profit?

I you have 800 bets and 132 looses = 668 points profit

668 points x 100% = 66,800% profit.

Or is it 66.8% and that is 668 winners out of 800, that is not right,surely?

After all it is only maths!

Jim


And it is only the maths you don't understand (or apply inappropriately on purpose)

The % profit is related to what you are risking; no other measure makes sense

If you bet $800, return $1600 and profit $800, then your % profit is 800/800 x 100 = 100%

If you lay to win $800, the risk depends on the odds of the lays

If you lay a horse at $11, you are risking $10 to win $1, so your % profit is 1/10 x 100 = 10%
If you lay a horse at $2, you are risking $1 to win $1, so your % profit is 1/1 x 100 = 100%
If you lay a horse at $51, you are risking $50 to win $1, so your % profit is 1/50 x 100 = 2%

Someone suggested your average lay is about $13 (12/1), so you have risked $9600 to win $668, a profit of 668/9600 x 100 = 7%

If you want people to take you seriously, you have to get this right.  Otherwise people with think that you either (1) don't understand %s, pricing or risk or (2) you are trying to con the innocent.  In either case you will get a rough ride on here
By:
stridingedge
When: 23 Dec 16 14:14
800 lays – 781 have been successful – 11 have won – payout $132 – Strike rate 97.62%

so 800 lays and only 19 losers with total liabilities of only 132 units (avg price 6.95)

I've posted exactly what Sugarfoot has on this subject regarding the need for a proper calculation of returns vs liabilities to give a proper ROI, the profit% is irrelevant without this.

The fact the losers were only averaging a price of 6.95 would suggest that over 800 bets this is highly unbelievable scenario and this is before the looking at horses on a tv screen to give fitness ratings down to 0.1 of a % is to be believed.

I know it's Christmas but this quite frankly stinks the place out!
By:
roida
When: 23 Dec 16 14:44
looses is when laces become undone

wac
By:
s.kenbo
When: 23 Dec 16 14:54
He said eleven lays won, I'm guessing the other eight were N'R's? So his average lay would be 12/1. At those odds you'd expect to be able to lay them blind and have strike rate just a few points below what he's claiming.
By:
stridingedge
When: 23 Dec 16 15:00
i guessed he'd probably added up the losing lays wrong and adjusted it, no point telling us about nonners really is there?
By:
s.kenbo
When: 23 Dec 16 15:05
Nothing would surprise me.
By:
JetLoneStar
When: 23 Dec 16 15:42
where do i sign up jim i want to win the monies
By:
value bet
When: 23 Dec 16 21:51
I think no one knows the answers on how much profit, or there probably is not one.

11 lays have won, not 19.

I put $1 on and get back $2 on a lay, (this is all about lays).

Getting $2 back I have made 100% profit.

Do it 800 times x 100% and u have 80,000% profit less liabilities - 13,200?

I am getting a head ache here and I appreciate the effort by all.

What u risk is irrevelant as you win 100% of your stake each time, and yes then you have to payout your liabilites which were $132.

All free and new software January so no issues of signing up for anything.

Thanks all.


P.S.  Sorry to keep on and on, buy how would I say my strike rates are with laying, thats easy enough 97.62%,
but I cannot say how much profit?

Seems odds.

If I have 1 successful lay a meeting, that is 100% profit?

Also this is all not applicable if only you have a packet to bet on or do you?


I call my fitter horses either 5-6-7 a race and they generally run 1-2-3-4

Then I call the unfit horses on lower fitness percentages.

Some races there are more unfit horses racing against me such as 6 fit and 12 unfit, which is a
murderous system, but non beat me, even with big numbers in their favour.

It's just the 2.38% that knock me off.

Now I have got a head ache, thanks Jim
By:
s.kenbo
When: 23 Dec 16 22:08
800 lays – 781 have been successful – 11 have won - What about the other eight bets first?
By:
value bet
When: 24 Dec 16 01:16
789 have been successful, my maths is bad!

Let's move on, this is silly.

Obviously there is no profit figure to the answer.

Jim
By:
roida
When: 24 Dec 16 12:43
value bet    23 Dec 16 21:51 


I put $1 on and get back $2 on a lay, (this is all about lays).

can you elucidate this bit please
By:
casemoney
When: 24 Dec 16 13:32
OP clearly suffering from mental illness ,nothing to see here move along.
By:
Latalomne
When: 24 Dec 16 14:17
Ho ho ho!  Crazy
By:
ProSniper
When: 26 Dec 16 02:33
Are you around Jimmy?

I'm interested in Prescience in the 2nd at Newcastle. I'm close to pulling the trigger..but I'd be much happier if you could assure me on its fitness levels first?
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