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Social Media 3-1 out to about tens.
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I'm not for one minute suggesting there are no suspicious going's on of course there are but it certainly isn't as rife as some would suggest where a massive chunk of these drifters are being layed with the knowledge they won't be winning!
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I suspect that has more to do with poor liqudity and weak markets than anything else, though.
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That reference is to the BFSP returns on favs.
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that doesn't make any sense
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I think it does. The BSP on well backed favourites are lower in a weak market than they would be in a strong market with good liquidity. Prices shorten faster in a weak market and hence well backed horses are more likely to start at a poor value price.
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I thought Kirbys ride on Stanley was worse, he isn't that bad at his job of riding winners, this took his job of not riding a winner to a new level. It was wrong on so many levels but nothing will be done cos he let it run on once 8 lengths in arrears and Queally in full flow.
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I haven't seen that one. Will have a watch of it.
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like my gripe BB,we know it goes on but still we return daily. It goes for us and against us. I accept you're highlighting a big drifter but those in the know in the 4.00 didnt leave anything behind.
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Halloween was yesterday but Kirby decided today was the day to horrify punters.
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I am sure that you can rule out any Owner involvement.
A home-bred filly - running in the Studs name - they would want winning brackets for her, surely. Even if she is only rated 54 - getting her down to any less would jeopardise her chances of getting into future Handicaps. She is far from being a world-beater on breeding - but winning brackets for any filly mean so much more. Her Owner-breeders? ... The Cliveden Stud Run by the Freedman family - descendants of former stud owner Loius Freedman - Who just happened to breed, and race, Derby winner Reference Point. |
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I think if you are trying to bet at value prices it goes against you more often than for you.
Just watched that Wolverhampton race. At best, he got caught napping. |
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I agree the owners of the filly would want to win a race with her, onlooker.
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Barton most of the weeks racing is low class
I'm saying you should expect with your conspiracy theory that these groups of backed and drifting horses should show a difference in relation to each other. you seem to be using drifts to suit your purpose for individual events, ie the drift on today's ed dunloip horse is supposed to indicate something even though in the bigger scale there is no evidence to suggest this is the case. I'm not arguing on single events (of course there are bent aspects in the sport) i'm saying this notion of drifting horses being a massive problem with skullduggery and an indication of the expected results is just not upheld anywhere. |
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perhaps Filthy has his eye on next season and a lenient mark for the colt Stanley, the winner was a filly, Stanley unsurprisingly given a boys name is a chap. Thats all I can suggest, it broke well, was reined in and not allowed to stride on over a suitable trip with undoubted stamina on its side. Can't see Kirby having Filthy over myself.
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I was highlighting a specific example of an extreme drift and a disadvantageous ride not trying to make a general point about drifters in general. The thread was specific to one horse in one race. I don't believe that the strike rate or ROI of a larger population of horses is of any relevance to whether this case was suspect or not.
I will back my own judgement that the price was so far from removed from what myself and other judges whose opinion I consider valid that it looked very suspicious. Quite interesting to hear the pre-race comments made by Richard Hoiles on RUK today as well. He seemed shocked by the extreme drift. There can not be any reasonable doubt that the ride the horse was given gave it no chance. |
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what rating do you think the horse will achieve BB
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no idea what the connection between Normandie stud is and Cliveden stud, if Pip Cooper was a Freedman then I get that.
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Maybe 70-75. Likely once she has won a race or two she will be retired for breeding purposes. She's nothing special but she will win given a proper ride over 12f+.
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she might win an a/w race somewhere, i doubt she will even make 70.
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That's 70 in terms of Racing Post/Timeform type figures. So am saying she will win off 50 odd and then again off low 60s.
Just looking at Stanley's pedigree, that has got to a better horse next year over 12f plus. |
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if she wins one i very much doubt you will see her again. just out of interest when she was a well backed 7/4 shot at wolverhampton, what did you think about the ride that day?
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the trouble is a drift again and you'll probably be too paranoid to back it
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Genuine apologies for placing you in the 'it's all bent because it drifted brigade' though Barton
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Lol. If it trebled in price again with Lee up I definitely wouldn't back it.
There are drifts and there are drifts. |
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the dealer, I thought she was ridden to try and win at Wolverhampton. She still showed signs of inexperience (undestandably on only her 4th career win and also the first time they had had a go with her - having given her 3 quick runs to get her handicapped and then a break) and looked a staying type as she lost her place and kept on again. I got the impression she would be well suited by a step up in distance (which she got today) and a positive ride (ahem).
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apologies for being wrapped up with Stanley, however I've seen many sick drifts on Dunlop non jiggers, his is a stable that knows what the pink button is for.
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I don't have a strong view on whether the Stanley race was hooky or not but a maiden where they bet any price you like bar the two with obvious chances is an ideal tool for a bend up.
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Veeraya 7s out to 32 wins 740 Kempton
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I've just seen the race, it looks like they've crawled round as suggested by the slow time (16 secs outside standard), and as a result he's not had the clearest of runs up the straight as horses weren't stopping and the gaps weren't appearing. She's going on at the finish and showed enough to suggest she will be winning off a similar mark when things pan out more favourably.
In conclusion, I'd say the way the race was run was the problem rather than anything dodgy, in my humble opinion. |
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Fair enough, I see a connection between the massive dirty drift and the ride the horse was given in a race not run to suit. Without the betting patterns being as they were I might agree with you.
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FFS george b and friends the horse was a non jigger and connections close to the horse layed it at any price to nick a few quid,
we read day in day out on here, thread ongoing at the monment about so called pro,s looking for miniscule bookmakers ricks and leaping on them yet he,s a horse fav for 6 hrs pre race been layed at 3 times its price, FFS |
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That's your opinion 1sttp, I've given mine, we'll have to agree to differ on this one.
I was keeping an eye on that Dora's Field from the same yard, fair to say a bit of an eyecatcher (nudge nudge wink wink) on its third run for a mark at HQ. Interestingly, the handicapper seemingly didn't give it a mark and they had to run it in a maiden at Wolver where it was held up and made no progress, but then the handicapper was able to give it a mark  Bit disappointing since going handicapping, save one good effort at Beverley. |
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maiden races are for the inside men take today they are 4
12.50 1.10 1.20 1.45 they are the first races i cross off |
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bookies love em
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2m maiden hurdles in particular are absolutely full of non triers.
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Another very polarised market here at Chepstow with Criq Rock (does have the best form) backed to the exclusion of all else. The second fav has been extremely weak despite having been the subject of media hype.
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That's a rarity! A heavily backed horse in a 2m novice being given a poor ride!
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just as rare as you admitting you got it wrong
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