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no panic nothing to see,all horses drift ive just been told on another thread
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our betting lab man says "have more on" when they drift..
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What was that about a moron?
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Social Media didn't have obvious last time out form and the drift can be understandable,
the ones I mentioned had won their previous start ! |
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Bollocks, imo.
Unexposed well bred 3yo stepping up in trip that had been a well backed favourite on her previous start. Running in a poor race against mostly fully exposed horses. |
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Jockey a wrong un
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yes it was fav but what did it achieve ?!
like I said earlier, an understandable drift, you believe what you will. |
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It is understable that the horse drifted. The reason the horse drifted is because it was hooked.
It really is that simple. 3s out to 10s and ridden like that and people are actually gullible enough to believe the horse has run on its merits. Staggering. |
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the shrewdies who by their strategys and maths got 6,s last night about a horse they thought should be 3,s on their tissue ,hope they piled in at 10,s
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Went no pace up front and was held up nearer last. Needed 20lbs in hand to win after a furlong
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have you started many threads when they've drifted badly yet run perfectly well ?!
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No, but it is extremely rare for a horse to drift from 3s to tens. And even rarer for one to do so and run well. And had the horse been ridden like a trier, I wouldn't have started this thread either.
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it should never have been 3,
would you have backed it at 3, it having achieved so little ?! |
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how many tissues would have had it anywhere near 3.0 ?
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that doesnt matter as it doesnt suit the agenda
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different scenario if the books on course had pushed it out pre race to a price punters would take,but during racing elsewhere this had drifted 60 mins before the off
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The agenda being to highlight insider laying coupled with a distinctly dodgy ride?
What price would you have made it the time before, timeless? Presumably you laid it heavily at 7-4 when it had no form! Horses are priced up on potential as well as form in the book. If anyone gave a reasonable justification pre race for saying that was a 10-1 chance today I might give their opinion some credence. |
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barton its happening far too often and fck all ever gets done
yet when a gamble is landed they want to know where the improvement has come from, pretty rancid at the moment had one earlier trebled in price the advertised jockey didnt even ride it and it trailed along most of the race stone last without ever being given a chance |
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Obviously I can't comment on that particulary example as I don't know which horse it was. But horses are not ridden on their merits in most races on a daily basis and the sport is totally and utterly unregulated and unpoliced. At the low grade meetings it is essentially a free for all.
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they were probably going to give it a go today till dinnertime when they heard the irish horse was well fancied ,so decided to save it for another day and took the days expenses out of it,or is that to cynical
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flower of love maybe the next won. cheers.
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You can't play this game without being cynical or at the very least sceptical, 1st time poster!
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another big drifter runs poor. cheers.
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so who took the daily expenses, the owner, the trainer, the jockey or all three?
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when it was 7/4 it was being backed down to that price,
compare like with like, I am off for tea now  |
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even hoiles and the studio guest were saying its a pity the horse wasnt off today because they,d have liked to have backed it,good luck in getting them to shove more on at double the odds,
,ratpack even used the phrase,shame its drifting,didnt mention it been good value now with ruk presenters and pundits telling you on a daily basis they,d rather lose their edge on tissue prices to show a horse is probably at it,there telling everyone the games bent |
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so who took the daily expenses, the owner, the trainer, the jockey or all three?
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and a little pressie from the pikeys for looking the other way today,
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The dealer, I don't know and you know that. And it doesn't have to be any of those individuals. There's a lot of people with connections to jockeys/trainers/head lads etc.
I maintain it stank and you would have to be connected in some way to lay that price. And we have all seen the ride it was given. If you choose to believe the game is straight at these low level meetings and there was nothing suspect about it, it is your prerogrative. As is usually the case subsequent events will prove the horse is on a winning mark when money is applied. |
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you lot seem to be the experts im asking a simple question, do you think the trainer lays horses, do you think the owner lays horses, do you think the jockey lays horses, you are telling me it has to be someone connected so im asking who
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so if the trainer isnt involved, if its so blatant would he not do something about it?
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the dealer, I have already answered your question. The horse was laid at a suspicious price and got a suspect ride. I do not know who laid it but I am not prepared to accept that anyone unconnected would lay that horse at that price in that race.
There was another horse running today at Redcar that I was tipped by two people I know well and trust. Both had spoken directly to the trainer of the horse who said they though the horse would win today. Given it is a yard with some history of gambling I thought it was a bit odd that the trainer was giving out tips like that. I had a look at the race and concluded that the horse was poorly drawn as well as not having an obvious form chance, I did not study the race closely but watched it to see what happened. The horse (despite supposedly being strongly fancied) drifted from 9 to 20 in the win market and 2.6 to 4.9 in the place market. It never went a yard and was well beaten. You could point to the draw as a reason for the drift but the horse drifted markedly more than all the other poorly drawn horses in the race. Again, I find myself wondering why a supposedly fancied horses had been laid at all rates. Why did the trainer go our of their way to tip people a badly drawn horse. Presuming some of these people backed it in what will not have been a strong market, how does the extreme drift occur. No doubt it was another perfectly innocenet coincidence. |
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All big stables have connected people and a fair number of jockeys have attached punters. Anyone who knows anything about UK racing knows that.
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so ed dunlop would be happy for graham lee to ride it like that and his mates to lay it?
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Hopefully not. It wasn't off though, was it? You've seen the ride, presumably? And it was very aggressively laid. It happens frequently and if I looked at every low grade race and could be bothered to do so I could probably highlight several similar cases most days.
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so why wouldnt he do anything about it?
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do you e-mail the BHA with any of these cases?
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well ed certainly didnt get him or his mates to back it at any of the 4,5,6,7,8,9,10,s available for an earlier 3 to 1 shot did he,
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I have done in the past. I will never do so again because the organisation is not fit for purpose and has no control over the sport.
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