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Morning Foxy.
When Golden Fleece won the Derby he looked exceptional but what happened afterwards has always rankled with me. Sangster had another Horse named Assert who was trained by Vincent's son David. Golden Fleece had beaten Assert having his first run as a two year old but Assert was clearly improving fast. GF met Assert again as a 3 year old but the press were not happy with the way Assert was ridden so tenderly. Under normal circumstances, had assert not been owned by Sangster I think he wold have run in the Derby but logically he was switched to the French equivalent. Assert won that then won the Irish Derby then was beaten in the King George by Kalaglow before bolting up in the Juddmonte. He then won a small race before finishing down the field in the Arc. He was favorite for both the King George and the Arc. Golden Fleece never ran again due to the cough and later a leg injury but I'm not sure about that, money talks. I think they couldn't run again without taking on Assert therefore splitting Sangsters best horses when there was a better financial alternative. I think if they thought GF would beat Assert that would have been better for GF but not for Assert so they kept them apart the only way they could. The Free Handicap had them 1lb apart and the International Classifications did the same. I think Tf got it right giving Assert 134 and Golden Fleece 133. |
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 Nureyev going through the sales ring - was on his way to Seven Barrows |
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I never knew that VL about Nureyef starting out at Walwyns.
Should never have got disqualified in Guineas. Interfered with Posse, Dunlop`s runner, a long long way from home. Posse was owned by Ogden Mills Phipps the big American owner who won the 1000 with Quick As Lightning ridden by Brian Rouse, his only Classic winner. Rouse gave Lester a lift to Brighton one day. On the way home Piggott tells him to take the second left leaving track as there was a great shop that sold the world`d best ice cream. It was a scorching day so Brian does so. Lester returns to the car with the biggest 99 Cone one had ever seen and plonks himself in the passenger`s seat. Rouse blows a fuse. "ffs Lester, I drive you to Brighton and back and don`t take a penny petrol money from you and you buy one f****** cone!" "Oh", replies Piggott getting stuck into the cone, "I didn`t know that you liked Ice Cream!"  |
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Great pictures from the Schweppes calendar VL. Classic Example belonging to Hue Williams was a good un. Nice silks. He owned some crackers over the years. Imperial Family, second in Derby to Snow Knight, was his.
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Will try and find and upload the Walwyn string from 1979 Horses In Training with Nureyev in. Think he was moved to Boutin's yard in May or June.
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The following picture is taken from the September 1978 edition of Pacemaker - the same one reporting the Keenland Sales that Nureyev topped. This pic was from a Jeffrey Bernard article titled ' The Lads of Lambourn'. Perhaps those on here who have worked or associated around the Lambourn or wider Berkshire area will recognise themselves or one of their buddies - 38 years ago though.
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1979 Horses In Training DOES list NUREYEV with Peter Walwyn - Horse number 83(2yo) - verbotene - excellent call ... at lot of people would have never known that - Nothing on Nureyev's Wikipedia page, either.
Listed with Boutin, of course, in 1980 Horses In Training. Boutin had 147 horses listed in 1980 Walwyn had 115 listed in 1979. |
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good thread ,talking of the old shcwepps calenders i have one from the late 50s early 60s , the pics of horses are present but someone has removed the months from the bottom ,just pics of 12 horses ,including oxo ,morcombe, agreement ,alcide,epaulette,etc nice nostalgic pics just apity its not complete , am chucking it out but if anyone wants it let me know.
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Re Nureyev; Timeform 79 reports that he left Walwyn for Boutin in the "summer". It seems that Niarchos' decision to move him may have been prompted by the virus prevalent at that time or perhaps by the English and French VAT differentials. In England, he would have been charged 15% of the purchase price and in France charged only on the carcase value. They do go on to say that this latter reason seems unlikely as Niarchos would have been aware of the tax implications at purchase.
Re the $1.3m purchase, Robert Sangster (or reps of) was the underbidder at $1.25m |
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good morning brigust
i saw assert win the benson and hedges if i remember correctly pat rode him with a problem with his arm or hand a situation where nowadays the doctor would stand him down. |
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i spent many enjoyable nights at the red lion back in the 80s we always stayed there for the hennersy meeting plus a couple of summer fixtures at newbury,jimmy gould was at the time involved in the place,does anybody know the reasons why it closed down and in which year ?
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Re Nureyev moving
The other Niarchos horses remained - including Vaguely Tender who ( I've just checked) cost $380,000 at the same Keeneland sale. The yard was definitely a slow sinking ship at the time with many patrons preferring other handlers or were fading forces themselves. Louis Freedman - was now giving his stud's best yearlings to Cecil Hue Williams family - were disappearing from the scene, Captain McCalmont - was winding down - think Kampala was the last decent horse they had with Walwyn The Goulandrais family( Hesmonds Stud) - Walwyn had trained what was still probably their best horse, Formidable. They were starting to use other trainers Oldrey - another owner breeder having less of an impact Lord Howard de Walden - Was not using Walwyn anymore. William Hill Bookmakers - who Walwyn had trained Sporting Yankee were leaving the scene as owners and had already turned to Stoute anyway. |
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Fond memories of Juliette Marny winning the Oaks in Grundy's year (1975). Had a golden spell those years in the Oaks too like Pawneese, Dunfermline and Bireme. Also particularly subsequently pleased with Bireme, Time Charter, Sun Princess and Oh So Sharp. However, like the Derby, pretty lean on the winners front in recent years
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Oh Salsabil, Ouija Board and Light Shift
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Just looking at the 1979 Walwyn string from 1979 - there is one notable absentee from the list that was not affirmed until after publication( I've written down in pen on my copy as had something of an obsession with the yard) - Jellaby, had gone to stud from Ryan Price's yard but was proving infertile and returned to training.
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* string from Horses In Training
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I know it is going back even further but does anyone know the merit of the horses that Ribot trounced in the 50's?
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Ribot, like Arkle over jumps, was a freak of nature. Horses like them come along once every hundred years or so.
Here is a quality video of his final race winning his second Arc. Just copy and paste and video top right will play in a few seconds. I think his victims that day were French and Irish Derby winners and Washington DC winner. Someone can confirm. He destroyed the best around in Europe in 2 Arcs and a King George. http://www.aparchive.com/metadata/youtube/56c24ce9becc47d4bbfe127f89839805  |
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http://www.aparchive.com/metadata/youtube/56c24ce9becc47d4bbfe127f89839805
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Whether it be the 1950's,60's or 70's, I think we would agree that racing was the better with the jam being spread more widely. Below is an example, the 1977 Yorkshire Oaks field from the racecard( my first visit to York). This day used to be unique in the sense that it was the only day in the Uk calendar with more than one G1 on the same card. All the runners in this race have no connection via ownership.The race was won by PT Walwyn's Busaca owned by Countess Esterhazy. This was the last time Walwyn would win this event.
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PT Walwyn's 1979 string - things were going downhill already but you could not have predicted that down the line it would finish with him being propped up by Hamdan.
Of the older horses in this string, Camden Towm had been runner up to Try My Best in the Dewhurst, former Middle Park winner Formidable( arguably still the best horse Goulandris family/Hesmonds Stud have had)would find that 7 f was eventually his best trip - they had messed up badly with him, even running him in the Derby. Of the 3 year olds Kampala would eventually win the Hungerford and sire Arc winner Tony Bin. New Berry would give some hope when beating Niniski in the Glasgow but ended up in handicaps the following year.And apart from Nureyev there is nothing of real note amongst all those juveniles.    |
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This is an ante-post list prior to the beginning of the 1978 season.The Walwyn horses were less prominent than they had been for many years - all quoted at biggish odds - in the Derby he has Bolak, Formidable, Hills Treble and Huaralino. In the Oaks Flaming Leaves, Shorthouse and Seraphima ( think she eventually finished fourth and don't think the yard had another one so close from then on).
The rot was already setting in.  |
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You don't see lists like that anymore cool more have seen to that.
On the Peter walwyn front does anybody remember the horse football |
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Trying to remember...did Leonardo da Vinci not burst onto the Derby scene briefly...was he trained by Peter Walwyn?1978 that is...my very first year following racing...I'm sure Shirley Heights beat him in the Dante but memory could be playing tricks
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Julio mariner and le moss went on to fight out the finish in that seasons St leger
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Correct lead on at the time pat had said he was the best horse he had ever ridden.
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Ile de bourbon king George winner
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Foxy - here is a link to Football - http://racingmemories.hk/hottopics/football-as134/
Appears that he was sold/sent to Hong Kong at the end of his 3yo career. Fourth on debut (Goodwood) and then unplaced (Clarence House at Ascot) in two runs at 2. Won three times (Pontefract, Windsor twice from five runs at 3. |
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It was ponte I remember him from Blackbarn had a friend who worked at seven barrows back then and always remember him rating football quite highly at a sensible level,Monday afternoons was always a trip to ponte back then only an hour away he got a right cheer that day smoking joe I think rode him.
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Did da Vinci not win on his debut at Newmarket in the Wood Ditton? or was it another race? I know Wildenstein owned him.
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TMM -yep, Wood Ditton, White Rose ( slaughtered Nicholas Bill) then beat in the Dante and the few weeks hype was over.
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Amazing to think that when Oats finished third in the 1976 Derby - Walwyn would never again even have a placed horse in the event(not checked the books on that but sure thats right). And this at the time when every juvenile from the yard that won a maiden at a half decent track was a getting a classic quote. There was a 2 year old called Night Before who for a short while was 16/1 favourite for the 1977 Derby after winning a Lingfield maiden in 1976. He did make the field but was not fancied and bbv'd and was pulled up.
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