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Good luck, Doc.
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t s only posts saturdays, big races and big meetings and p/wise extra.
p kealy only posts fridays, saturdays and p/wise extra. other than for p/wise extra they both have to post there selections probably by 6pm the previous day. sounds like you are not going to do the same? if you want a challenge have a look at the ryan we thread. try taking on ryan we and pumphol who post big priced winners regularly the night before. |
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Czech at the ready here.
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Paul Kealy is just betting on two flies going up the wall I shall give him a shout,,,
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Im adding Olivia Fallow in the Musselburgh 7 20. Draw 2 worries me more than the weight, but what this 4 year old filly has going for her is class (she has not been disgraced in 2 races worth £26K each, compared with most of the others who have competed for less than than £10 bar Kibaar which Olivia Fallow holds), and speed (her figure of 55 when second to Meadway) nearly equals Fumbo Jumbo's 57, and she surpassed that in Marsha's Listed race at Ayr when she recorded a 67 according to me).
She is currently 8/1 (taken). Vitavox. The contest will be settled on percentage profit (or loss) over the 28 days. |
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Nice start. A winner, one going close and placing and one maybe being done by the draw. Keep it up
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i always admire an academics determination and research stamina.not to mention capability of original thinking.
do you put this shyte on your cv? |
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did tesco swallow it?
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steady on chav....
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Saturday 30/7.
Im swerving the difficult looking card at Goodwood - saturday at a major festival is difficult at the best of times but when the bookies have taken a pasting the previous day I run for cover as a backer (I cant put my finger on the reason). Rather, i am looking for a winner or two at Newmarket - a straightforward track with prevailing good to firm ground and no nasties in the weather forecast. My first choice is Flowers On Venus in the 5 35. I am no fan of the trainer and the first time visor is unnecessary imo but there is no denying her speed (50, 58)advantage over the jolly Edward Lewis (37). 6/1 with William Hill currently but shortening everywhere. May end up fav, where it belongs. V. More to come.. |
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4 35 Newmarket:
The feature of this 7 furlong 0-110 handicap which attracts my attention is what the handicapper has been up to. Not one of the 5 remaining runners (Outer Space doesnt go) is running off their last marks. Connections of Highland Colori must be tearing their hair out at the 4 lb rise having endured a losing run of 25 stretching back to October 2013. Oh This Is Us is up 4 also, and Squats is up 3 for a fine second in the Gigaset at Ascot. I was on at 60 on the Exchanges on the latter in that race on the basis of some excellent performances in the grade last year including a 4th to Right Touch in a 0-105, and a second in the Shergar Cup with Hayley Turner on board ( 0-100). Apart from Ascot Squats also loves the July course and I believe this nice prize worth £25K is its target and the Gigaset a warm up. The lady jockey claims 7 lbs again and if Highland C takes them along at a decent pace Haggas patience with Squats will be rewarded. Its only 7/4 or 6/4 but it will win.13/8 taken. V. |
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The 4 00 @ Newmarket is a 7 runner 3 y.o. 0-90 handicap run over 7 furlongs. There are some good form figures on hand and three of them won l.t.o. (last time out). Lets start with them:
Justice Smart will be found in the market as its trainer is Sir Michael Stoute and he excels with 3 y.old maidens and handicappers. This JS's handicap debut having won a Bath Maiden. Several factors count against it here, however, 1. Its back in trip; 2. It's time (adjusted for class) made it the slowest race of the day, and 3. Its by Kyllachy out of a Cadeaux Genereux mare and the good ground at Bath may have been ok for it but the G/F ground today will be against its soft ground breeding.(Kyllachy is a Pivotal) Miss Carbonara won a 5 race maiden run in the slowest time of the day at Leicester and similarly drops back a furlong here. Trenches, on the other hand got within .8 second per mile of the fastest race on the card adjusted for class over this very course and distance and, moreover, is a War Front and therefore will relish this ground. When you consider that card included Franklin D and Trenches was .3 second per mile faster adjusted for class than the subsequent Goodwood gamble and the runner up In The City has just won and franked Trenches we have have a bet at 9/2 with Betfred. Silk Cravat has been penalised by the handicapper for losing, Dream Mover is slow , Take The Helm out of form and Fighting Temeraire has a speed figure equating to over 10 lengths behind Trenches, yet is currently shortest in the betting. Trenches could be a nice price winner to add to Godolfin's tally.. Vitavox |
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nice writeup ,gl
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Good Luck Doc', but you are not really taking the mentioned tipsters on if you are swerving the tough h'caps that they are expected to tip in.
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I think the OR for Highland Colori is still 92,he runs today from 4lb out of the handicap.Well done yesterday.
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Good point Rob but today is an exception as i pointed out. Normally, I do tackle the big handicaps - as you will find out over the 28 days.
As a rule i would be on a few days before to take advantage of the prices e.g., Im holding a Coral slip for Ridge Ranger in the Stewards Cup for £10 @ 33/1, but how can you have a punt in the race on the day until you've seen the Consolation earlier (draw)? It might interest you to know Ive laid Orion's Bow, but I cant put a lay up on here. (I laid Franklin D yesterday and consider myself unlucky not to draw - Id Dobbs got a run he would have touched it off - ironically as it used to be Ryan's mount..) If either TS or PK strike lucky they get a nice big price in the ledger dont they..? In the Consolation I underlined 3 horses last night - Gamesome, Related, and Fast Track (badly drawn last year and possibly saved for another go by (hard to read) Barron. Thanks for your contribution.. Vitavox |
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Oh This Is us is also running out of the weights. It's the conditions of the race, not the handicapper's doing.
Also, I don't see why you say Squats loves the July course. He's only run on it once, was 8th of 17 then, and put up a lower RPR than his outings before and after. |
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To clarify (as I have mentioned several horses in asides) - my selections for the challenge are Flowers On Venus, Squats and Trenches.
Ive just watched Ridge Ranger (draw 2) drop from 17.5 to 13 in the wake of the Consolation race. Was the outcome decisively favouring the low numbers? Anyhow it enabled me to get rid of £4 of my £10 (at 33/1) at 12/1. Good business.. Stellarta was the interesting one for me in 4th. This showing points to Silver Rainbow, Guishan and David's Duchess who finished in front of it l.t.o 16/7 Newmarket. I made it the quickest race of the in its class. |
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Interesting write ups and I wish you luck but on early evidence it doesn't look as if you'll be giving up the day job anytime soon.
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Only just spotted this thread, will make a good read over the next month, good to see someone making an effort to post up selections with reasoning. I'm not a great "speed figure" man myself, so will be interesting to see someone who puts a lot of faith in them and how they get on.
Cash is King, give the fella a chance, one swallow doesn't make a summer etc, good luck Vitavox. Good to see someone posting reasoned selections away from the main meeting imo, as it will prompt me to look at some races in more depth than i can usually be bothered with. |
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Early days Cash...haha..(cant say I was pleased with my day yesterday, however...)
Time to look at the Nunthorpe: My entry into this race is via Profitable winner of the King's Stand Stakes (Group 1). The Kings Stand, 6 weeks down the line is looking in tatters. I know a couple of the also rans have shown their form since (notably Meccas who was in season then, and take Cover who is transformed at Good wood, as we all know, ) but the Second has been 13 and 8th since, the third, 10th and 11th, the fourth 15th and 14th and the fifth, 17th. Profitable itself has been 4th since to Limato - just a fair result which wouldnt be enough to justify favouritism at York. Mecca's Angel must have a graet chance having won last year's renewal with all the usual suspects behind - Mattmu (3rd), Sole Power (4th), Goldream (5th) and Muthmir (6th). That Nunthorpe was the fastest race of the day adjusted for class, but the going was soft and this will have inconvenienced 2 horses who could conceivably turn the tables on the flying mare - Goldream and Acapulco. I gave Mecca's an 80 in G/S there but she has not quite reached those heights this year - 66 behind Profitable (68) in the Temple and arguably a 72 on her latest race at the Curragh where she had Sole Power a similar distance behind as in the 2015 Nunthorpe. Profitable repeated its 68 in the Kings Stand and seems to have plateau'd. Easton Angel has a better figure and is running well again but is held by Acapulco on the 2015 Queen Mary where Acapulco, the winner, returned a spectacular 80 (which I have subsequently pegged to 76). When beaten by Mecca's in soft ground that didnt suit her she ran a 74 with I. Ortiz in the plate. Given good summer ground and with Ryan Moore on board I anticipate Acapulco returning a 78/79 which may well be good enough to turn round last year's Nunthorpe second into a win. At the current 7/1 I want to be on Mecca's. All this assumes Ward's Lady Aurelia, if she turns up at York, goes for the 6 furlong Lowther - which is her proper race and gives Moore a ride in each. I thought she was going away over 5 at Ascot so I hope connections are thinking that's her race. Her drift lately in the betting gives me confidence thar's the case. |
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Goldream won the Group 1 Prix de L'Abbaye in 2015 returning a 73 and the GP1 Kings Stand in a 78. He will be a tough nut to crack, but am I alone in thinking, if its the same horse as last year, that it should have disposed with the Group 2 opposition at Goodwood the other day? The trainer asserted his charge was in very good nick and we know the thing has won first time out a couple of times (if memory serves)so why not a win. There may be little more in the locker. At first sight that Group2 looks to have been run .6 second per mile behind the quickest adjusted for class which yields a low 70 figure - maybe 74.
So Goldream is a player but I just prefer Acapulco as a bet at 7/1 with Ryan Moore on board. Danger is a mutually destructive dual with Take Cover up front and Mecca's swooping to pick up the pieces. |
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Putting forward Gold Hunter in the 2 30 Chepstow @ 5/1.
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Interesting thread - don't have a particularly strong opinion about the Nunthorpe just now but I do about Goldream.
The trainer was given plenty of air time to talk up his horses' chances the other day but what C4 failed to point out is that he has n't had a winner since 13th July, has a losing sequence of 27 runners since then and Goldream is one of only 4 of those 27 to even place. Overall he is 2 winners from 49 runners in July. Add to that the fact that Goldream prospers on fast ground and so the rain on top of watered ground at Goodwood on Friday certainly would n't have helped him therefore I think he ran really well in the circumstances. So given fast going and better stable form come York and I think Goldream will have a massive chance, could n't back him yet obviously given those two major imponderables. |
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Vitavox - There are those posters on this forum who are brave enough to stick their heads above the parapet. The vast majority however wait for those moments to hurl criticism and abuse at those that have taken a stance.
Whilst I am dubious of your method, I applaud your willingness to take a stance. As I said earlier, I wish you luck. |
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Time to tot up after 3 days:
Tom Segal and Paul Kealy combined: Stakes 32 points Returns 22.75 points 29% loss Vitavox : w5/1 (15% rule 4) L L L (Trenches) L (Squats) L (Flowers O. Venus) L (Gold Hunter) (Ante post point Acapulco @ 7/1) Stakes 7 points Returns £ 5.25 (Acapulco not accounted for yet)25% loss |
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Selecting Almanzour for the Juddmonte International 17/8 York. This race could cut up..Taking the stingy 16/1 (30 on Exchanges).
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Cant wait for Kealy and Segal to show up so opting for Lydias Place in the 7 50 Yarmouth. I fear the jolly - Cosmopolitan Girl who was second in an Ascot 0-85; but Lydia's is going to relish the non-watered Yarmouth going and with 15-30Km per hour winds forecast to blow till 7 45 the ground should be genuinely g/F by off time. Her speed figure is slightly superior at 50 compared with 47 and so is her price 7/1 (taken) as opposed to 11/4.
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Stars Over The Sea has just romped in at Pontefract, hot on the heels of a Glorious Goodwood third to Firefighting. This Mark Johnston victory points to the chances of a Paul Cole trained horse at Kempton tonight who finished 3rd to SOTS at Newbury in a 0-90 (16th July). That was a fast run race and Ladurelli had Danehill Kodiac, the King George 5th, behind it that day.
Moreover, Ladurelli is not without AW surface experience as, inter alia, there is a 0-90 third at Kempton on its card from last season. West Coast Flyer is tipped up in the Racing Post but that form is not up to much ans a bigger danger is the current fav. Angrywhitepyjamas. That was a quick Wolver maiden it won, but a Wolver 0-60 maiden win is a far cry from 0-90 form that has been well and truly franked. The 11/2 is very good value imo. |
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According to the Weekender, Segal and Kealy are on holiday for the next fortnight.
@ReaseHeath re Goldream -- I sense a shift in the zeitgeist and pundits are becoming more sceptical about stable form and hot/cold patches. |
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How can they take the first 2 weeks of August off! Part-timers!
Ok, i'll switch the confrontation to 'Betting Advice' - its the main column, and Pricewise (whoever is in the seat). The 8 20 at Newmarket tomorrow (Friday) is a betting race. The favourite (Solar Flair) beat 3 horses in a 0-95 at Nottingham who have finished 11th, 9th and 11th n.t.o.,so I am eliminating it. Excellent George is joint fav but only won a 0-80 and is up 5 lbs - this wont be enough against both Intensive Style and Guishan. Guishan's 3rd in a 0-93 reads well after the subsequent performances of David's Duchess and, notably, Stellarta's 4th in the Steward's Cup Consolation . The Consolation was run faster than the main race when adjusted for class and this shows Guishan in a terrific light. I rate Intensive Style a big danger - a 0-105 3rd in good company would normally be enough but that was in the soft and Guishan looks the safer option with only showers forecast to fall on good ground. Tactical betting on both these might pay off but i have to put one forward and Guishan (9/1 with Betvictor at the mo) is the one for me. |
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I very nearly posted right at the beginning of this thread ...
What a strange time to 'take on' Tom Segal and Paul Kealy - given that these weeks between the Goodwood and York Festivals are traditionally, and always have been, 'flat as a pancake' weeks... - with mostly Seaside meetings - as in the likes of 3 days at Brighton, and Yarmouth this week - being a long-standing School holidays, families on holiday, fixtures approach. The Shergar Cup meeting was invented to fill this void - devoid of any Class racing. Sir Peter O'Sullivan always used to take this period off, from the Daily Express and BBC commentating - and holiday at Deauville - with their 'Festival month' of racing, along with the French who all take August off. |
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Thankyou Onlooker for your observation.
My answer would be that a pundit worth his salt should be equally adept at ordinary handicaps as well as the glamorous high class fayre. There is no 'void' imo. Tbh my timing wasnt influenced by the racing calender. It was influenced by having just completed a month's trial of my selections proofed to Lee Mottershead of the Racing Post. It was then time to look around for the next challenge. V. |
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My methods are heavily reliant on my speed figures. Every time man, from Beyer to Topspeed to lowly Vitavox, knows time is a matter of interpretation and boils down to a correct view of the 'track variant' i.e., how the ground conditions are slowing down or speeding up the horses.
In this country we have the penetrometer - the higher the figure the faster the ground. So 6.8 (Chester 24/6) is faster than 6.5 (Chester 25/6) right? Not according to the Clerk of the Course who described the Friday as G/S (good in places) and the Saturday Good (g/s in places). Sometimes they just give the description without the penetrometer figure. In the light of this it was interesting to hear Nick Watts on RUK refer to 'the speed figure' of Naggers in a race at Hamilton recently. There is no unequivocal 'speed figure' Mr Watts - we all differ because our interpretations of the form and time will differ and all our standard times (on which are interpretations are based)will be slightly different. I interlace form with time to check my figures - if I allot a horse a high figure and it underperforms I go back to that day to see where I got it wrong and compare that days figures with previous meetings at that same track to spot anomalies. Its constantly in flux - not set in concrete. Its clear Nick Watts view is that Topspeed of the RP (who had Naggers in bold therefore toprated) publishes THE speed figure. This is far from true. I often differ from him (with varying results) and my next project is to go head to head with him for a month to show the differences. I am looking forward to that. |