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WESLEY WARD'S historic sortie from the US to Royal Ascot was almost grounded after his licence was suspended for the latest in a collection of medication violations that would provoke astonishment in Britain but is regarded much less seriously in the US.

The day after Cannonball was narrowly beaten in the Group 1 Golden Jubilee Stakes on the final day of the Royal meeting, the American trainer began a 15-day suspension for breaching a threshold limit for clenbuterol, a bronchodilator used to improve breathing.

All of Ward's Royal Ascot runners were drug tested and the results were negative, but the appearance of US-trained horses in Britain raises questions about the BHA's regulatory response to the long-term use of clenbuterol in other jurisdictions, while the catalogue of drug infringements racked up by Ward, and the penalties imposed for them, provide striking evidence of the contrasting attitudes to equine medication in the US and UK.

Ward made history when Strike The Tiger won the Windsor Castle Stakes and Jealous Again, subsequently bought by Sheikh Mohammed, won the Queen Mary Stakes, but a positive test returned after Notonthesamepage's victory in the $100,000 Spectacular Bid Stakes at Gulfstream Park in January almost scuppered Ward's Ascot plans.

Connections requested a second test, which confirmed the presence of clenbuterol above the permitted threshold. In Britain, clenbuterol is a prohibited substance and Notonthesamepage would have been automatically disqualified.

The Gulfstream Park stewards did not disqualify Notonthesamepage nor redistribute the purse, but fined Ward $1,000 and, against a background of multiple previous infringements, suspended him for 15 days. It was decided that the suspension would not start until after Royal Ascot.

In the US, clenbuterol is categorised as a class 3 substance, one less likely to affect a horse's performance than class 1 or 2 drugs but in the same category as anabolic steroids"

Widely used in training - it has been suggested that 95 per cent of racehorses in California are trained on it - clenbuterol's presence on raceday in the US, above a threshold limit, is an offence.

Dr Tim Morris, the BHA's director of equine science and welfare, said: "We don't know how widely used clenbuterol is in Britain but our testing programme suggests that it is not a big feature of training here.

"Clenbuterol dilates the airways and is likely to give a horse an advantage on raceday, so we wouldn't want it present then. If it is used on a long-term basis it can also have an anabolic effect, indirectly building muscle, a positive test result would trigger automatic disqualification of the horse and a penalty for the trainer."

The penalty depends on the circumstances of the drug's administration but Morris indicated that, if it was one of a series of offences or there was evidence of long-term administration with a view to improving a horse's performance, a major penalty could be expected.

This raises the question of whether or not horses trained abroad, legally and routinely given clenbuterol, should be allowed to race in Britain, given that the long-term anabolic effect of the drug may give such horses an advantage.


Lets not insult Frankel by comparing him with illegal 2yo freaks please.

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By:
brain dead jockeys
When: 15 Jun 16 16:06
US racing is rife with drug problems........coolmore and godolphin should not be supporting US racing
By:
oneyallbeenwaiting4
When: 15 Jun 16 16:06
Trainers Bruce Levine and Wesley Ward each have been suspended by the New York State Gaming Commission for medication violations, but the two men are reacting differently to their cases.

Bruce Levine has been suspended 21 days and fined $5,000, Ward will serve a 30-day suspension from Nov. 3-Dec. 2 as a result of a positive test for the bronchodilator clenbuterol in Sunset Time, third-place finisher in the second race at Belmont Park on June 20, 2012. He was also fined $5,000.

In an unrelated drug-testing matter, Ward said he is impressed by the British Horseracing Authority's testing during his annual forays to Royal Ascot in England. “They take hair samples,” Ward said. “That's what they've done over the last three years and it's been wonderful.” He also said the BHA's strict new policy banning anabolic steroids will have no impact on his future plans to compete at Ascot.


maybe they know how to beat the hair test?
By:
Facts
When: 15 Jun 16 16:07
Change the record ffs !
By:
Hushwing.
When: 15 Jun 16 16:10
they aint testing those hair samples yet , that was a pr nonsense.

Ward knows he gets away with more here
By:
onlooker
When: 15 Jun 16 16:12
The closing paragraph - is the most relevant - and simply cannot be dismissed...

'This raises the question of whether or not horses trained abroad, legally and routinely given clenbuterol, should be allowed to race in Britain, given that the long-term ANABOLIC EFFECT of the drug may give such horses an advantage.'
By:
Breedingmad
When: 15 Jun 16 16:13
Hair detoxification shampoo was originally designed as a medical contaminant removal product to eliminate toxins and toxin metabolites from prescription medications and medications administered during surgeries. It has an acidic base that destroys toxin metabolites but does not damage your hair. It is not toxin specific meaning that it eliminates metabolites from all toxin sources including marijuana.
By:
themightymac
When: 15 Jun 16 16:16
Change the record and be thankful they come over and make the meeting even more exciting.
By:
howard
When: 15 Jun 16 16:18
Like Lance Armstrong made the Tour de France more exciting you mean ?
By:
workrider
When: 15 Jun 16 16:20
Even if as you suggest she was on drugs, that was still something else.
By:
Zazu
When: 15 Jun 16 16:22
Tour de France in the 90s was far more exciting than it is now

Humans 2.0 flying up mountains rewriting all records
By:
brain dead jockeys
When: 15 Jun 16 16:24
gay kelleway gave a good speech about drugs on the sunday forum and she has gone up on my estimation..........we are their masters and we need to be good to them
By:
Barton Bank
When: 15 Jun 16 19:01
It would be interesting to see how the trainer would do if training in the UK.
By:
johnnythebull
When: 15 Jun 16 19:14
maybe the filly had a couple of aspirins

very grey area where there shouldn't be one
why do they run on all this sh1t in the States and why is it allowed?
it's not done here or in europe
not sure what the sp is in Australasia and Japan
you know what they say..if smth appears too good to be true...it's too good to be true
it's unfortunately the era of drugs in many sports now such that even those who would not ordinarily countenance taking drugs are obliged to so do to be competetive
great shame as everything you watch now that is egregiously brilliant gets you to wondering
By:
Facts
When: 15 Jun 16 19:38
If you really love horse racing you should have been thrilled to see such a 2yo running at speed to win in such exhilarating fashion to take ones breath away. A magnificent spectacle.
So why spoil it by being so bloody negative and rake up the same old conspiracy theories.
Why be so bitter, to immediately cry ' fowl' if a beautiful horse achieves something extraordinary.
By:
brain dead jockeys
When: 15 Jun 16 19:47
facts...........american racing is different to ours regarding drugs.....
By:
Facts
When: 15 Jun 16 19:52
I know.
But I'm assuming the filly won fair and square today. Post race tests will confirm she was clean. If not, the Trainer is a fool. I'm confident he's not.
By:
Oceanfinance
When: 15 Jun 16 19:57
she might have had drugs in america that would be well out of her system now
By:
tim6
When: 15 Jun 16 19:58
of course nothing will show afterwards but that performance was definitely too good to be true, reminds me of Michelle Smith winning our second olympic gold had the same feeling then. If and I say if it was without drugs for me it was the best 5F performance ever.
By:
john92
When: 15 Jun 16 20:01
The widespread use of drugs in US racing combined with numerous scandals in sport generally mean that people are within their rights to be just a little bit sceptical. At face value it was stunning.
By:
brain dead jockeys
When: 15 Jun 16 20:01
that was the best sprint perfomance ever on a british racecourse
By:
brain dead jockeys
When: 15 Jun 16 20:03
american racing is filthy........what sharapova did with that stuff is what 95% of american trainers do with horses.........the diff is sharapova has a choice...........the horse doesnt.
By:
onlooker
When: 15 Jun 16 20:10
Facts 15 Jun 16 19:38 

If you really love horse racing you should have been thrilled to see such a 2yo running at speed to win in such exhilarating fashion to take ones breath away. A magnificent spectacle.
So why spoil it by being so bloody negative and rake up the same old conspiracy theories.
Why be so bitter, to immediately cry ' fowl' if a beautiful horse achieves something extraordinary.
----------------

Presumably - You would have said the same to people who, 'really love  athletics' - after a Ben Johnson performance.

EXACTLY the SAME mindset.
By:
Breedingmad
When: 15 Jun 16 20:20
Speaking from Saratoga, where he has recently trained three winners, Ward said: "I train every horse on clenbuterol and the majority of trainers, all the top trainers, train all their horses on it. It is not an illegal drug and it is wonderful for keeping horses' airways clean."
By:
roida
When: 15 Jun 16 20:26
linford christie says he didnt take anything

Mischief
By:
oneyallbeenwaiting4
When: 15 Jun 16 20:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDJB_7hVpRs
By:
john92
When: 15 Jun 16 20:32
Justin Gatlin quicker at 33 clean than he was juiced up. Long term effects of PEDS need to be looked into.
By:
oneyallbeenwaiting4
When: 15 Jun 16 20:37
Its been the same was all his winners here, they come over as 2yos in June looking like 4yo's, obviously decent animals but they clearly have a physical advantage over our 2yos, his 3 or 4 good winners have literally looked and run like monsters
By:
oneyallbeenwaiting4
When: 15 Jun 16 20:45
at a time when horses are developing physically, they are taking performance enhancing drugs, who knows how early theyve got them on them, doesnt matter if they go a month or two clean before running here

notice how its only the 2yo races where they destroy the fields here, you would think he think he would have cleaned up the older sprints with all those 2yo machines well ahead but only 1 older sprint winner I think last year with Undrafted
By:
oneyallbeenwaiting4
When: 15 Jun 16 20:49
Jealous Again (USA) 13/2    2    8-12 tb    Wesley A Ward    —    *    *   
John R Velazquez
   
Made all, easily sprinted 4 lengths clear inside final 2f, pushed out, impressive


sold to Godolphin and never seen again after that

“There are certain 2-year-olds of mine, from the time we start breaking them that I try to separate from the others,” Ward said. “The ones who are early developers and speed-oriented, we want to focus on getting the most out of them early, and possibly sell them  so you can keep playing the game. She was one of those. She always had good early speed, but she made a little noise. When we switched to a figure-8 bridle it made all the difference in the world, and we were confident bringing her to Ascot because we knew she’d be getting more air.”

Laugh
By:
blackbarn
When: 15 Jun 16 20:51
Not sure I want to get involved in this debate, but re size and precocity. This is a January foal. The vast majority of the field were April/May foals and the Queen Mary is notoriously birth month dependant. 2nd and 3rd were Feb/March foals. Do with this what you will.
By:
oneyallbeenwaiting4
When: 15 Jun 16 20:51
nice racket, find early speed horses, drug them up to the eyeballs young, 1 or 2 runs then go to ascot, blitz the field and sell them for a lot more than they are actually worth

its no wonder they barely see the track after their 2yo campaigns
By:
oneyallbeenwaiting4
When: 15 Jun 16 21:00
he won 10 stakes races in america between 1994 and 2009

then 7 major 2yo races in Britain between 2009 and 2016 travelling half way across the world for inferior prize money

doesnt add up, obviously he seen a good opportunity and the money must be in selling them after ascot, can only imagine the offers for that thing today
By:
Fatlad 1981
When: 15 Jun 16 21:03
Interesting thread intriguing if those in the game know his M O yet STILL give him vast sums for his horses
By:
brain dead jockeys
When: 15 Jun 16 21:12
"he won 10 stakes races in america between 1994 and 2009".............that is an amazing stat
By:
hippie
When: 15 Jun 16 21:36
Queen Of Sicily (USA) 3-y-o (27Apr13 b f) Cape Cross (IRE)  (9.1f) — Jealous Again (USA) (Trippi (USA) - the cheeky bastards bought Jealous Again and bred with her. The nerve of some people.

And the yank owners that drugged Lady Aurelia up to the eyeballs before sending her to Europe owned a horse called Curlin (among other supserstars), you may have heard of him?

They're on twitter. Tweet them and share your concerns: https://twitter.com/stonestreetfarm
By:
Facts
When: 15 Jun 16 21:48
onlooker

No, I don't have the same mindset regarding human athletes.
By:
blackbarn
When: 15 Jun 16 21:52
oneyallbeenwaiting4.  Why do you cut and paste stuff and pass it off as your own? (like the original Ashworth article from 2009 in your op). Apologies for the use of bold text but you started itWink
By:
oneyallbeenwaiting4
When: 15 Jun 16 21:56
I thought that it was blindingly obvious that it was cut and pasted, so much so that it went without saying seen as I am not a journalist who writes about stuff 2 years after it happens

only an absolute retard would think I was trying to pass this off as my own articles, that is stupidity on a scale bordering on the incomprehensible
By:
blackbarn
When: 15 Jun 16 21:59
Nice non-denial.  What indication is there that these are not your words??,  well apart from the last sentence which probably is!  Where is the attribution?, or any mention that this article was written SEVEN years ago.
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