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Paul Nicholls... in massive decline
Paul Nicholls... in massive decline
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Not off the top of my head, but I do know for certain that he had horses with him, saying that he had them with Henderson and Hobbs also and fell out with them as well.
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Had a few with Sue Smith in 2004/2005 & 1 with Joss Saville other than that no UK based trainer has minded a horse for the Potts.
Feel free to check for yourself, Maybe he had a leg in one in someone elses name as can't see anything else anywhere. |
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That's a different Alan Potts
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Nicky Henderson had Sizing Ireland for Ann & Alan Potts in 2011
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http://www.racingpost.com/horses/owner_home.sd?owner_id=125272#topOwnerTabs=owner_stats_summary&bottomOwnerTabs=owner_horses
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Good spot Stats.
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Royal Collonges & Sizing Asia was with Nicholls, Was looking at just Alan not Alan & Ann.
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As Mick Fitz says, there ya go.
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Gawd say anything but don't be dragging Mick Fitz into matters.
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There ya go? There ya go nothing! SA last ran in 2009 for Paul and RC in 2010. So what does your point prove? Absolutely nothing!
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Take Ruby out've the equation and it's not exactly a roll of honour of stable jockeys Nicholls has had over the years
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STD better than sam thomas and daryl jacob but all three some way off what you'd expect at the champion trainer
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Whippy Piccadilly, my point proves that he has lost Alan Potts as an owner , and also the fact that Graham Wylie is no longer giving him new horses, they are going to Mullins.
Potensis who are one of the bigger supporters of the yard are now sending horses to Henderson and Fry and now Mullins as well. Turnip is a busted flush , he doesn't count anymore. Has a bum stable jockey and can only get his hands on the ones the Irish don't want at the sales. He's still giving 300 k for rubbish from France , but they are only the ones that McManus Gigginstown Ricci and even Connell don't want. He's a goner and it couldn't have happened a nicer chap |
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there was a paul nicholls is finish thread a year or 2 ago ,it every time he got a winner or several on Saturdays it kept getting bumped back to bite the op on the ar$e...............may well be a similar scenario given time !
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People are being a bit daft in here. Go back to the kauto denman era and you will see it was england that had all the money, the Irish recession was much worse than the English one and it was easier for the English trainers to nip over and buy the best point to pointers and french horses. Now times are different. Mullins, Elliot, de bromhead and others have wealthy backers behind them and don't need to sell their prized assets, so they can build their own stars to challenge the old guard of pipe, Hobbs, Henderson and Nicholls. Those 4 trainers have all found it tougher to get star horses in recent times because of this and the emergence of other trainers like, fry and Skelton. There are only so many horses to go around and Nicholls just doesn't have the top class ones he has. Success like this for any team can't go on forever, as it usually comes in cycles, just looks at man utd and Liverpool.
As for people saying he is arrogant, why is that? Because he wants to win or because he believes in his horses? If he doesn't have that stance then why would he bother to carry on? My dad has horses training with Nicholls currently in a couple of syndicates. Whenever we go down paul and his team are really good and generous with their time. We spent a couple of hours once one on one with him when we were looking to join a syndicate and he was only too happy to help. This isn't a big money syndicate either as my dad only spends a bit, so he wouldn't expect to have the red carpet laid out. STD is a good lad too, much better than Jacob was. Jacob came across as a bit timid whereas sam is much more confident. Scholfield is a top lad too and I would have him on some more of the chasers as he presents them well to a fence like his ride on Saphir de rhue last season. Anyway those are my opinions, |
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think you are too soon to write him off-he was champion trainer+he leads the trainers championship now.
Arrant nonsense-if he was 10th consistently for 3/4 years you might have a point. |
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Nicholls quite often blames himself when his horses run poorly so that does not tell me he's arrogant. He may well be a perfectionist though. I still think he is the best trainer out there.
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Never forgot him blaming Sam Thomas when Kauto Star fell. Arrogant self centered ****.
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ups and downs in life happens all the time and knocke on everyones door. sure he has no stars at the moment but who does apart from mullins who has captured the market for know.always beeen a great trainer and always will be. be good to see him and henderson and others put up a challenge to the mullins team
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DEMENTIA....."Never forgot him "....
 I agree with Steamship and Dragon, and think the folk calling him arrogant etc., are mistaken I would add that in most sports, to get to the very top, you have to be totally focussed and immersed in your profession. The stress and concentration involved in this 24 hour a day existence can very often come across to an observer as "arrogance",., when in fact it's little more than an overloaded brain and nervous system. I hear people say the same thing about people in all other sports who reach the very top...........Ferguson, Mourinho ,O'Sullivan,Taylor etc etc etc....sport domination don't come easy...and many of them don't do chit-chat very well. Of course Paul doesn't have the ammo now that the Irish boys are picking the best fruit off the tree, but he's still a bloody good trainer of a capable racehorse. Who knows ?...as is profile and the stresses that go with it diminish, ....he may become as nice as pie  |
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In my experience, the majority of folk at the top end of racing - especially owners and trainers - are horrible people, and I'm pretty sure they'd think the same about me if I weren't so insignificant.
A more important point is, perhaps, can success at horseracing be bought and is it ever down to just one man? What struck me about PD is that he seemed to struggle when Pipe ruled, had his heyday with rich owners and French imports, then slipped back down a wee bit. No idea myself what really went on. As a gambler, I had to learn early on that likability is not a prerequisite for success. Some of my best results come from trainers who are not my cup of tea. Maybe the horses are key at the end of the day. |
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Nicholls is a top man. Can blow his top occasionally but so what? I can blow my top occasionally and I'm a thoroughly lovely chap.
Quite clearly the best trainer of a chaser out there. And any yard with Clifford in it is not going to be in 'terminal' decline. Reads like a fishing thread tbh. |
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Hes a busted flush, thats what the big horrible yoke is.
Do you think Willie mullins would be out in Barbados holidaying in the middle of the NH season, do you think Aidan O Brien would be on holidays in the middle of August ?, they would in their hole. The jockey carried him for years, and now that he's left then Nicholls is no longer a force. Has not got 1 good horse, in a stable littered with 300 and 400 k purchases. He has absolutely no chance of winning a Grade 1 this year at the festival, so how can people say he's not in decline. |
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So he is having a stinking year, it happens.I feel sorry for Young Sam who joined him at the wrong time.
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Didnt they say the same when Sir Henry made the worst decision of his career and appointed Richard Quinn as his stable jockey
Seem to remember an upturn in fortunes as soon as he left and think a similar scenario will play out here when Nicholls inevitably offloads STD |
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Ok hes not winning the big races like he used to but he's still/currently leading prize-money trainer in the UK and apart from WM, whose still about 800K behind, none of the other trainers are likely to catch him this year. The days of Denman Kauto MM and BB all together were a bit unreal. So I wouldnt write him off just yet but I believe its incorrect to say WM's owners are spending all the money. Fascino Bustino cost 310K in 2012 and he's just one example.
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... who's ...
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Fascino Rustico is a perfect example why Nicholls is a busted flush. Time and time again they keep falling for duds from Ireland, and there is just no possibility that any really good horse from Ireland is going to finish up in Nicholls place.
That fascino horse was trained by Ronnie O Leary who is being kept alive by JP McManus, does pumpkin really think that if they have a top horse they are going to sell it to John Hales. |
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"massive decline"
 he will struggle by. |
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From what I've read on here a few times, if Nicholl's was lucky enough to have those two blokes in Ireland and France on his team it would be a whole different story in any case, this whole thread has been decrying Nicholl's but there isn't anyone moaning about his ability..just about money...and those two spotters mullins has.
Nothing wrong with Nicholl's and I'd guess if it was him with multiple options per festival race we probably wouldn't be kept in the dark quite as much as we do with Mullins. |
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Ya, like the time Kauto Star was out for a week before one of the festivals and they never bothered to mention it.
Anyway, nobody cares where his horses are running because they are no good. |
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IS THIS THE SAME fascino bustino running in ireland for elliot tomorrow, didnt that loon rishi persad back this to win a future gold cup
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mr mix 5/1
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Yes he's most certainly back.
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he,ll do well to win this one 3 legs by the looks of the betting
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And thats exactly why Nicholls is a busted flush. Jockey with no brain and all over the place on the run in, dropping his reigns and riding like Brod Munro Wilson.
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nearly got a few quid back off the 300 grand there,
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They only paid 10k for it
 Do try to keep up. |