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Three NH meetings today and all
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I thought at the time when he won the Gold Card that he wuld have gone very close in the Stayers Hurdle. Not sure why he never made the transition to chasing. He was definitely built for the job.
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quite possibly derrymoyle won in 98 he was no world beater
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sorry it was princeful be same as no world beater
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Princeful, trained by jenny P ?
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Foxy,
Silver Buck won a conditions chase at Folkestone in November 1980 according to Chasers and Hurdlers, and the only meeting there that month was on a Monday, Nov 17th. |
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The Headmaster, you don't specify why you disagree with my post. I hear trainers interviewed every day who say they can't find a race for a horse that they are desperate to run. Too many races limited to novices, conditional riders, age groups, rating limits etc. Have a look at the races in the next week and find an opportunity for a 8yo handicap hurdler or chaser rated 130.
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good morning the anorak
thanks for confirming that, i had in fact got it in my head the horse was entered and as at that stage i had never been to folkestone i thought i would make the long journey,i didnt go which made me think the meeting might have been called off.back in those days the dickensonns sent there horses all over the place pretty sure bregawn won at hereford to course which are now sadly and shamefully no longer with us ,instead we have chelmsford. |
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Hi Sageform,
Multiple points to make, but let's tackle the idea that the more you restrict a race the smaller the field size. Take a late October Chepstow card. On it, there is a 5K 2m "NH" Mares' Maiden Hurdle for 5yo and up and a 25K C2 Conditions Hurdle for 4yo and up, also over 2m. The first race won't allow horses to enter that are colts, horses or geldings, that have run on the Flat, that are 4yo or that have won a Hurdle race or a Steeple Chase. We're probably talking about 8% of the available horse population. The second race is eligible to every single horse in training that is 4 or older. 100% of the available horse population. Given that the first race has multiple restrictions on it and the second has none, bar age, and is worth 20K more, which race do you think will have a bigger field? |
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(and re the 8yo H'capper rated 130 I have no idea what trip, part of the country or profile this horse is but, in the next week, I stopped counting when I got to 20 races....)
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No late chepstow fixture on my calendar
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I'm sure you can find some but look at Uttoxeter on Tuesday. Only 2 chases and noth novice. First today was hands and heels NH novice hurdle. Who wants to run a green novice under an inexperienced jockey with no whip?
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"No late chepstow fixture on my calendar" - thanks for that.
It was a hypothetical question. For the pedants, please use an early-mid October Chepstow fixture as an example  It would be a little more enlightening, though, if you offered a view on which race would have the bigger field. I have quite a strong opinion fwiw. Re Uttoxeter on Tuesday, the media rights deals some courses are on pay less for Novice Hurdles and less for CJ's races, but both types of race courses are, under Rule, obliged to run a certain amount of. One particular group has a regular habit of bundling both 'commercially unattractive' racetypes together and getting the bad news out the way in one go. So you will see a lot of CJ's Nov Hdles at Uttoxeter and Sedgefield...for example. I agree with you sageform, it's not particularly appealing race-planning. |
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As to your question re Chepstow, it would depend on the 5 day decs. If a Nicholls or Henderson 130 rated bumper was jocked up in either race, there would not be many runners. Ditto if a 140 rated hurdler was an intended runner in a novice chase.
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With respect entries or decs would not make any difference at all. Hundreds of Maiden Hdles at a number of tracks have proved that already.
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Don't agree. You might get a few low rated horses running for experience but few trainers would risk running second with a decent horse to a likely odds on shot. The other thing about trainers of course is that they will find plenty of excuses not to run an unpromising horse until later in the season when they feel obliged to reveal the weak hand and risk losing the horse to a point to point sale. Hence the divided 2yo maidens in October/November on the flat and plenty of bumper/novice hurdle runners in April if the going is OK.
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Sageform, if what you're saying is true you'll be able to pick out the highest placed British runner in the Champion Bumper over the last 10 years, look at where the horses made their hurdling debut the following season and list a string of novice hurdles that cut up to 4 or 5 runners......good luck.
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Today's Wetherby card is another prime example of the results of a bloated fixture list. Every field single figures, 5 in the opening novice hurdle and 2 runners in the Nov Hcp Chase.
And yes the ground is testing, but probably no more than you would expect of most meetings in December. |