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Your other point is obscure because I don't believe that a punter who places an accumulator has any idea of which selections are likely to fail him. He just picks his fancies and puts the accumulator on.
Of course he doesn't but if one of the five loses on Saturday he wins nowt. No chance to cash out, I'm guessing. If you wait until the five have won on Saturday to cash out, why bother including a team on Sunday? Also, you give the bookies too much credit. There are many tales of people being offered horrific cash outs, certainly nowhere near market value. |
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I have posted this several times before, regarding such Accumulator bets - be they Horses or Football.
Assuming that the bet was just a 3 euro straight/All Up Acca - then he would have had around 1,200 euros going onto West Ham at 9/2. We do not know how many other selections there were - but, for example sake, lets say there were 5, at around an average of 5/2 ... - then another simple 3 euro Acca on those first 5 teams would have meant that the OP would have slept easy in his bed on Saturday night KNOWING that he had, ALSO, already WON the 1,200 that was going onto the Sunday selection............ and all for just another 3 euros. - and that to also negate the folly, and agony, of waiting for a final selection in a SUNDAY game. How many times has that scenario resulted in heartbreak over the years? Answer - Countless times. |
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This business about leaving a team out because of a later kick-off time - I think I'm going to put it to one side because it seems to be for a specialist football acca audience. You may well be right but I sense there is something fishy in your reasoning.
The cash out point - you use the term 'being offered'. This might explain our differences here. I don't see the cashout as being offered, I see it as something you organize yourself. This goes back to the OP of this thread. |
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Nothing fishy in my reasoning. Onlooker explains it much better than I did.
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Also, it's probably semantics but I'd say 'greening up' is something you organize yourself; cash out is a service offered by bookies, who'll usually do anything they can to, yes, rip you off.
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Well I agree if it boils down to saying that singles are a betting proposition than multiples.
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Sorry, that reply was to your 11:23 post.
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*better betting proposition
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cash out is a service offered by bookies, who'll usually do anything they can to, yes, rip you off.
You're just not getting it are you? |
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I think we all know they are. Nowt wrong with having a fun bet for a couple of quid though. It just seems silly to add an additional selection the next day if you're going to cash out anyway.
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swift-tuttle 23 Nov 15 11:32
You're just not getting it are you? You'll have to forgive me. No, I'm not. I'm starting to think you're Fred Done though! |
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Some Wisewords on here but just to throw in 1 more angle which possibly is the case, though admittedly may not be the case, karma often arises from gambles prompted principally by personal feelings and not objective reasoning.
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I doubt he backed a 2,000/1 shot with a huge amount of confidence, so probably thought he'd see where he was at when the first five kopped. We've all been there.
Are people saying that if it was them, and they'd slapped a couple of hundred quid on a 6 timer and could get out for 100k no matter what, they'd just lean back and let it ride without having a look to see what they could guarantee? |
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My points on accas etc (this one anyway):
1. Why add a team with a different ko time if you are not letting it ride? The point being is you have probably took a price that is shorter than what it is to lay at, therefore actually getting less for your money once you have greened up. 2. Swift-tuttle - if you think punters are not getting ripped off and they are getting market value you must have been brainwashed with the rest of the punters who think cashing out is great. For instance say you were waiting on the last leg for a 1000 return and the last leg is evens you certainly will not be offered 500 from the books. My guess would be it would be around 375. They advertise this 'cash out' for one reason and one reason only - and it isn't for the punter. 3. I understand why some take the offer on in play multis where all are winning and it doesn't take a great deal off the top (as it's easy), but you could easily lay the ones in front for less liability and a better return on here. |
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was the OP talking about 'being offered' a cash out from the bookie or
was he asking advice about how to place other bets so that he could get a level payout? |
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The latter, but only because the former wasn't an option.
You're just not getting it are you? |
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I'm not but I can see now how the misunderstanding has occurred. I was never talking about being offered a cash out by the bookie.
I accept that may be bad value - I was talking about organizing a level payout on the odds available YOURSELF |
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where was the bet being 3 euro mentioned?
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He posted it on the football forum roida.
S-T, no harm, just joshin'. To your credit you were apparently the only capable of working out how to ensure equal outcomes. It just appeared, to me at least, that you were defending the bookies' friend, the dreaded cash out. |
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If you Google 'dutching calculator' there's plenty of free ones to tell you how much to place (to the penny) to ensure equal outcomes.
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