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I am waiting on west ham for 6500, done it as a cash bet so no cash out available. What can I do to get level return from the 3 outcomes on today's bet. Betting is 4/7 spurs 16-5 the draw and 9/2 west ham
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I can't think of anything with those odds, I'm sure somebody will have an idea though.
Lay West Ham for a grand (plus commission) at 6. If West Ham win you'll pick up your £6.5k less a £5kish payout.
If West Ham fail to win you're a grand up on here less your stake.
Good luck.
If West Ham fail to win you're a grand up on here less your stake.
Good luck.
Rob_The_Bantam 22 Nov 15 13:48
Lay West Ham for a grand (plus commission) at 6.
500/1 to have £5,000 in bf.
Lay West Ham for a grand (plus commission) at 6.
500/1 to have £5,000 in bf.
Just trying to help, Emma. At least he has a couple of hours to lay off what he can afford, whether that's a quid or the full grand.
Lots of firms do a bet called a double result do spurs and draw then have a bit on spurs.
But you done west ham for a reason sooooooooooo how brave are you??
Good luck whatever you decide.
But you done west ham for a reason sooooooooooo how brave are you??
Good luck whatever you decide.
I thought of that, Spurs/draw are about 1/7. 
Brave it out and prey to God that West Ham take the lead. That would make laying them a much better price.
I was going to ask why you backed them but then I noticed you name. Good luck.
Brave it out and prey to God that West Ham take the lead. That would make laying them a much better price.
I was going to ask why you backed them but then I noticed you name. Good luck.
I was going to ask why you backed them but then I noticed you name.
Because he's an Oyrish Arsenal fan?
Because he's an Oyrish Arsenal fan?
Only one thing is certain here: if the OP doesn't commit either way before the result is known and then comes back on saying he won, roida is going to absolutely erupt.
the simple answer as always is..if the money means anything get out with a decent profit..if the moneys immaterial let it ride..
I agree Emma (I like that btw Rob!) but after staking 3euro, I wouldn't want to be giving away 5 grand plus of my potential winnings, to win a grand. If it was cheaper to lay, fair enough. I'd do as someone earlier suggested - cross my fingers and hope West Ham score first.
West Coast Eagles 22 Nov 15 14:45
West Ham have won all their London derbies this season against Arsenal, Chelsea and Crystal Palace.
The Dragon 22 Nov 15 14:51
away wins at liverpool, city, arsenal, chelsea
Means nowt, of course.
West Ham have won all their London derbies this season against Arsenal, Chelsea and Crystal Palace.
The Dragon 22 Nov 15 14:51
away wins at liverpool, city, arsenal, chelsea
Means nowt, of course.
There's a multitude of answers that could apply, really. If you make West Ham a 3/1 shot and you got them at 5/1, let it ride. If you make them a 7/1 shot, get out. Depends on whether you think you're on at a good price or not. Ultimately it's as roida says - lay off if you'd be sick at not winning something.
Why do people put up posts like this and never even bother to reply?
Usually ignorance sparrow. Without telling us what steak was involved the original q was pretty meaningless anyway.
Saddos Right My Mum Puts More in The Plate at 11 am Mass on a Sunday Morning
You would have been better off not putting West Ham in the bet in the first place. I can never see the point in cashing out on an acca as you are usually laying worse odds than you've actually taken.
4138.84 on Spurs at 4/7
1511.16 on the draw at 16/5
850 profit whatever
1511.16 on the draw at 16/5
850 profit whatever
Shirley it is better to make the last one on the Sunday a 'short un' that can be traded.
I just don't get people who want to cash out. Biggest rip off bet out there, no wonder bookies advertise it on to wnenever they get chance.
If u placed a 6 team Acca and West Ham were obviously the last one then u would have know what u were going to win if the 1st five came in and if that was a figure u knew u would want to cash out at then why bother adding West Ham in!!!!!
If u look at the bookies Twitter feeds on a weekend all u ever see is people asking if they can cash out all the time. It's no wonder punters with half a brain can't get a bet on when all these idiots are betting.
If u placed a 6 team Acca and West Ham were obviously the last one then u would have know what u were going to win if the 1st five came in and if that was a figure u knew u would want to cash out at then why bother adding West Ham in!!!!!
If u look at the bookies Twitter feeds on a weekend all u ever see is people asking if they can cash out all the time. It's no wonder punters with half a brain can't get a bet on when all these idiots are betting.
In what way ST? Especially the part about including West Ham. (I'm not knocking the selection btw, but as SA says, if you want to then cash out after the first 5 win on Saturday, why include them at all?)
He uses the term 'rip-off' as if the decision to cash out involves giving money away to an unscrupulous operator.
I don't see it like that as all that is happening is
taking the equity out of a bet by using dutching style calculations on the odds that are available.
As to whether the decision to cash out is correct, that is up to the holder of the bet and his/her personal circumstances. It is simply another option to consider.
Plenty of people on here 'green up' and I don't see much criticism of that practice.
I don't see it like that as all that is happening is
taking the equity out of a bet by using dutching style calculations on the odds that are available.
As to whether the decision to cash out is correct, that is up to the holder of the bet and his/her personal circumstances. It is simply another option to consider.
Plenty of people on here 'green up' and I don't see much criticism of that practice.
Greening up usually involves betting at market value. Cash outs are always going to be in the bookies favour.
Moreover, if he knew he wasn't going to be able to cash out, why add a team on Sunday? Of course I agree with the point you and others raise that cashing out, or greening up, depends on personal circumstances. Had he not included a team on Sunday, he wouldn't have found himself in that position and would have been able to back West Ham with the grand he'd won on Saturday, should he still wish to do so.
Moreover, if he knew he wasn't going to be able to cash out, why add a team on Sunday? Of course I agree with the point you and others raise that cashing out, or greening up, depends on personal circumstances. Had he not included a team on Sunday, he wouldn't have found himself in that position and would have been able to back West Ham with the grand he'd won on Saturday, should he still wish to do so.
Cash outs are always going to be in the bookies favour
Sorry, I'm not seeing this. As I said, the odds available are being used in the calculations. The bookie is not getting any extra because you are cashing out.
Your other point is obscure because I don't believe that a punter who places an accumulator has any idea of which selections are likely to fail him. He just picks his fancies and puts the accumulator on.
The cash out is an option that could possibly come later.
Sorry, I'm not seeing this. As I said, the odds available are being used in the calculations. The bookie is not getting any extra because you are cashing out.
Your other point is obscure because I don't believe that a punter who places an accumulator has any idea of which selections are likely to fail him. He just picks his fancies and puts the accumulator on.
The cash out is an option that could possibly come later.
Your other point is obscure because I don't believe that a punter who places an accumulator has any idea of which selections are likely to fail him. He just picks his fancies and puts the accumulator on.
Of course he doesn't but if one of the five loses on Saturday he wins nowt. No chance to cash out, I'm guessing. If you wait until the five have won on Saturday to cash out, why bother including a team on Sunday?
Also, you give the bookies too much credit. There are many tales of people being offered horrific cash outs, certainly nowhere near market value.
Of course he doesn't but if one of the five loses on Saturday he wins nowt. No chance to cash out, I'm guessing. If you wait until the five have won on Saturday to cash out, why bother including a team on Sunday?
Also, you give the bookies too much credit. There are many tales of people being offered horrific cash outs, certainly nowhere near market value.
I have posted this several times before, regarding such Accumulator bets - be they Horses or Football.
Assuming that the bet was just a 3 euro straight/All Up Acca - then he would have had around 1,200 euros going onto West Ham at 9/2.
We do not know how many other selections there were - but, for example sake, lets say there were 5, at around an average of 5/2 ...
- then another simple 3 euro Acca on those first 5 teams would have meant that the OP would have slept easy in his bed on Saturday night KNOWING that he had, ALSO, already WON the 1,200 that was going onto the Sunday selection............ and all for just another 3 euros.
- and that to also negate the folly, and agony, of waiting for a final selection in a SUNDAY game.
How many times has that scenario resulted in heartbreak over the years?
Answer - Countless times.
Assuming that the bet was just a 3 euro straight/All Up Acca - then he would have had around 1,200 euros going onto West Ham at 9/2.
We do not know how many other selections there were - but, for example sake, lets say there were 5, at around an average of 5/2 ...
- then another simple 3 euro Acca on those first 5 teams would have meant that the OP would have slept easy in his bed on Saturday night KNOWING that he had, ALSO, already WON the 1,200 that was going onto the Sunday selection............ and all for just another 3 euros.
- and that to also negate the folly, and agony, of waiting for a final selection in a SUNDAY game.
How many times has that scenario resulted in heartbreak over the years?
Answer - Countless times.
This business about leaving a team out because of a later kick-off time - I think I'm going to put it to one side because it seems to be for a specialist football acca audience. You may well be right but I sense there is something fishy in your reasoning.
The cash out point - you use the term 'being offered'. This might explain our differences here. I don't see the cashout as being offered, I see it as something you organize yourself. This goes back to the OP of this thread.
The cash out point - you use the term 'being offered'. This might explain our differences here. I don't see the cashout as being offered, I see it as something you organize yourself. This goes back to the OP of this thread.
Nothing fishy in my reasoning. Onlooker explains it much better than I did.
Also, it's probably semantics but I'd say 'greening up' is something you organize yourself; cash out is a service offered by bookies, who'll usually do anything they can to, yes, rip you off.
Well I agree if it boils down to saying that singles are a betting proposition than multiples.
cash out is a service offered by bookies, who'll usually do anything they can to, yes, rip you off.
You're just not getting it are you?
You're just not getting it are you?
I think we all know they are. Nowt wrong with having a fun bet for a couple of quid though. It just seems silly to add an additional selection the next day if you're going to cash out anyway.
swift-tuttle 23 Nov 15 11:32
You're just not getting it are you?
You'll have to forgive me. No, I'm not.
I'm starting to think you're Fred Done though!
You're just not getting it are you?
You'll have to forgive me. No, I'm not.
I'm starting to think you're Fred Done though!
Some Wisewords on here but just to throw in 1 more angle which possibly is the case, though admittedly may not be the case, karma often arises from gambles prompted principally by personal feelings and not objective reasoning.
I doubt he backed a 2,000/1 shot with a huge amount of confidence, so probably thought he'd see where he was at when the first five kopped. We've all been there.
Are people saying that if it was them, and they'd slapped a couple of hundred quid on a 6 timer and could get out for 100k no matter what, they'd just lean back and let it ride without having a look to see what they could guarantee?
Are people saying that if it was them, and they'd slapped a couple of hundred quid on a 6 timer and could get out for 100k no matter what, they'd just lean back and let it ride without having a look to see what they could guarantee?
My points on accas etc (this one anyway):
1. Why add a team with a different ko time if you are not letting it ride? The point being is you have probably took a price that is shorter than what it is to lay at, therefore actually getting less for your money once you have greened up.
2. Swift-tuttle - if you think punters are not getting ripped off and they are getting market value you must have been brainwashed with the rest of the punters who think cashing out is great. For instance say you were waiting on the last leg for a 1000 return and the last leg is evens you certainly will not be offered 500 from the books. My guess would be it would be around 375. They advertise this 'cash out' for one reason and one reason only - and it isn't for the punter.
3. I understand why some take the offer on in play multis where all are winning and it doesn't take a great deal off the top (as it's easy), but you could easily lay the ones in front for less liability and a better return on here.
1. Why add a team with a different ko time if you are not letting it ride? The point being is you have probably took a price that is shorter than what it is to lay at, therefore actually getting less for your money once you have greened up.
2. Swift-tuttle - if you think punters are not getting ripped off and they are getting market value you must have been brainwashed with the rest of the punters who think cashing out is great. For instance say you were waiting on the last leg for a 1000 return and the last leg is evens you certainly will not be offered 500 from the books. My guess would be it would be around 375. They advertise this 'cash out' for one reason and one reason only - and it isn't for the punter.
3. I understand why some take the offer on in play multis where all are winning and it doesn't take a great deal off the top (as it's easy), but you could easily lay the ones in front for less liability and a better return on here.
was the OP talking about 'being offered' a cash out from the bookie or
was he asking advice about how to place other bets so that he could get a level payout?
was he asking advice about how to place other bets so that he could get a level payout?
The latter, but only because the former wasn't an option.
You're just not getting it are you?
You're just not getting it are you?
I'm not but I can see now how the misunderstanding has occurred. I was never talking about being offered a cash out by the bookie.
I accept that may be bad value - I was talking about organizing a level payout on the odds available YOURSELF
I accept that may be bad value - I was talking about organizing a level payout on the odds available YOURSELF
He posted it on the football forum roida.
S-T, no harm, just joshin'. To your credit you were apparently the only capable of working out how to ensure equal outcomes. It just appeared, to me at least, that you were defending the bookies' friend, the dreaded cash out.
S-T, no harm, just joshin'. To your credit you were apparently the only capable of working out how to ensure equal outcomes. It just appeared, to me at least, that you were defending the bookies' friend, the dreaded cash out.
If you Google 'dutching calculator' there's plenty of free ones to tell you how much to place (to the penny) to ensure equal outcomes.
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