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Ted Brogan
21 Nov 15 15:01
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From egr:

I’ve been dumbfounded lately by the British horseracing industry’s attitude towards bookmakers, especially its sponsorship threats. The reality is that there’s not exactly a long queue of businesses wishing to sponsor racing in 2015 – long gone are Whitbreads, Mackesons and Massey Fergusons.

With the exception of bookmakers, there has been a real scarcity of sponsors bookmakers for a long, long time and that reality should be the initial starting point for the British Horseracing Authority (BHA). It should be showing bookmakers more love and not encouraging them to quit racing sponsorship.
Take the Ayr Gold Cup as an example. It’s a popular sprint race which usually gets a fair amount of publicity in the racing press but not much coverage anywhere else in the media, especially on TV and after the event itself. One problem is that the spectacle is over relatively quickly - one minute and 10 seconds to be precise.
The amount of sponsorship money involved, which is very substantial, could, and perhaps should, be invested in perimeter board advertising at televised football games where more brand exposure is available and replays of highlights guaranteed in the aftermath of the matches. Extensive representation at four or five matches would be available for the price of sponsoring the Ayr race.

It’s the same situation for bookmakers that have sponsorship deals in place at the Cheltenham Festival. If Ladbrokes and Betfred didn’t sponsor there would it affect their business in any meaningful way? Of course not, so I’m not entirely sure what the BHA and the other horseracing bodies are trying to achieve.

It appears that Nick Rust – the former bookmaker and ex-inhabitant of the very real world of running a mainstream betting business – has had his memory wiped when crossing the threshold of the BHA's offices. He has forgotten how expensive the racing product is to bookmakers and how much racing already gets from betting: £250m and rising.

The bookmaking industry wants a good relationship with racing but would it really be worried about losing sponsorships? William Hill signed horseracing sponsorship deals because we wanted to have a balanced marketing portfolio, but realistically I wouldn’t have minded it being totally skewed to products where there are far higher margins and more media exposure.

Will we see Microsoft, Apple and all those huge companies with big marketing dollars suddenly pumping that money into racing? The odds against are high. Maybe the BHA has actually had phone calls from rich businessmen like Bill Gates, Carlos Slim and Warren Buffet, promising him zillions of sponsorship investment if the bookies don't stump up. I'll keep watching Channel 4 Racing and wait for an announcement from Nick. It may be a long winter.

Sadly, the racing industry still forgets who has the principal relationship with the customer. Where does the customer go to bet? They don’t go to the BHA or the Jockey Club. Racing is again trying to bite the hand that feeds it and the bookmakers’ polite response to those who trust in Rust should be “thanks but no thanks”.

If bookmakers continue to be pressed incessantly for more money from racing it will be no surprise if horseracing punters are asked to pay a small levy on their bets to pay the big levy, or minimum staking levels are enforced on low margin horse racing bets. Bookmakers cannot continue to absorb the ever rising costs of a declining product. Maybe Rust has inadvertently come up with part of the answer – save money on sponsoring races.
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Report Mikael D'Haguenet November 21, 2015 3:27 PM GMT
Ex-Hills chief Ralph Topping showed plenty of disdain for his employees when he was there. Lovely bloke.
Report Oceanfinance November 21, 2015 3:29 PM GMT
As if bookmakers sponsor races for philanthropic reasons Laugh
Report THE-GHOST-OF-DICKIE-BIRD November 21, 2015 3:29 PM GMT
fruitloop
Report Oceanfinance November 21, 2015 3:30 PM GMT
It was bookmakers who wanted the tax on bets lifted.
Report millhouse November 21, 2015 3:31 PM GMT
In reality, pretty much the opposite of anything he says is likely to be true, imo...
Report the dealer November 21, 2015 3:33 PM GMT
in saying that wouldnt put much faith in Rust, no wonder its all doom and gloom
Report millhouse November 21, 2015 3:44 PM GMT
Anything Topping says is only about 'leverage' - the problem is the idiots running this sport up to now always bought it and then got one free too.

Rust, on the other hand, is a commercial animal through and through, and personally, I'm beginning to think he's actually going to fight racing's corner in an unexpectedly big way...
Report the dealer November 21, 2015 3:45 PM GMT
good luck if you keep the faith
Report pablo-fanque November 21, 2015 3:50 PM GMT
they are moaning that they pay too much to racing now.

I bet they weren't asking to pay more in the good days when racing was there main income .
Report halcyon days November 21, 2015 7:29 PM GMT
R T is a hard nosed business man .


The diatribe above translates to...


'We get 70%/80% of our gross profits from FOBT's & Football betting, who needs Horse Racing!?'
Report the dealer November 21, 2015 7:38 PM GMT
i'm no lover of them but surely in any business you try to get away with as little as you can. they wont be the first or the last. in seeing how the money is spent you wouldnt trust them with the crown jewels. filling pockets seem high on the agenda
Report the dealer November 21, 2015 7:39 PM GMT
paying as little as you can
Report homefortea November 21, 2015 7:48 PM GMT
Try and run your shop business without horse racing and you have an "amusement arcade"..

Perhaps that is what they want in which case the maximum stake should be lowered to £2 on the machines and they can save money by not buying the Rancid Post..

The Sheena West debacle when they were turning away multiple backers from taking even money about 16/1 shots shows just how low they have sunk..

Even lower than a cashier when Ralph was settling for Mecca and then Hills...Love

Tell em it aint so fella....Laugh
Report halcyon days November 21, 2015 7:50 PM GMT
^ I'm sure he was at C orals as well felah !
Report the dealer November 21, 2015 7:52 PM GMT
unless they do something with the fobts its only going to get worse, when the present generation of horse racing punters go the games up
Report halcyon days November 21, 2015 7:57 PM GMT
^ correct amundo !


Topping has caused controversy on Twitter over FOBTs, once tweeting: "Uncle died in WW2 for freedom. He would (twirl) in his overseas grave at its restriction. Died for honesty. Great value to die for."


What a despicable excuse for a human being !
Report homefortea November 21, 2015 7:58 PM GMT
Take more water with it halcyon as it is corals (lower case) and fella where I come from....
Report halcyon days November 21, 2015 8:03 PM GMT
O k felah !
Report homefortea November 21, 2015 8:14 PM GMT
Ralph likes to airbrush over his time as a Saturday settler at Mecca in Glasgow..

The shop manager at the time could have a second settler if they took over 1000 bets (feck me I could do over 2k although in fairness with a calculator) and my pal who still manages a small firm was the lucky recipient of what he termed "the smelliest man ever" at what passed for a weekend (closed Sundays no night racing) and so spent Saturday afternoon in the pub and returned to cash up and was gone by 4pm in the winter..

I am convinced that Ralph was traumatised by this wanton dereliction of duty and since those days was determined to make sure that no-one that worked for any firm that he controlled would take the rise again...

Ergo single manning minimum wage Sunday and night racing and early opening..

Mind you that freak was a sex pest as he rose through the ranks (allegedly)...
Report east end boy November 26, 2015 12:22 PM GMT
Hi Homeforth

I was with Mecca and Hills in London and had a lot of run ins with that ######.You dont no the half of it.Your last statement was not confined to Glasgow.
Report Biscar Two from a mile back November 26, 2015 12:42 PM GMT
"minimum staking levels are enforced on low margin horse racing bets."- suits me
Report bruno100 November 26, 2015 12:56 PM GMT
About time the bha grew a set of ballllllllls and do the right thing push for the fobt machines to be limited to small change for the good of the horse racing industry they will then see a different attitude from the bookmakers who have them in the palm of thier hands
Report geoff m November 26, 2015 1:35 PM GMT
halcyon days • November 21, 2015 7:29 PM GMT
R T is a hard nosed business man .


The diatribe above translates to...


'We get 70%/80% of our gross profits from FOBT's & Football betting, who needs Horse Racing!?

I have it on far more reliable authority its 53%
Report geoff m November 26, 2015 1:36 PM GMT
apologies that FOBTS only.
Report the dealer November 26, 2015 1:50 PM GMT
just out of interest, does  anyone know how much the bookmakers actually paid into racing last year incl levy payments, sponsorship etc
Report unclepuncle November 26, 2015 1:57 PM GMT
Think the BHA (or whatever it's called these days) has shot itself in the foot big style over this sponsorship thing.

I also don't understand why the levy is based on profits - if every favourite wins at Cheltneham and Royal Ascot there will be no profits and therefore no levy going back to the industry despite it putting on all the racing.Cry

Would be much simpler if bookies simply pay a fixed percentage of all stakes - 1%, 2% or whatever is needed to get the levy upto the accepted level). That way it encourages the horse racing industry to put on a better product for the bookies - better racing = more betting = more levy.
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