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Ex-Hills chief Ralph Topping showed plenty of disdain for his employees when he was there. Lovely bloke.
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As if bookmakers sponsor races for philanthropic reasons
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fruitloop
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It was bookmakers who wanted the tax on bets lifted.
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In reality, pretty much the opposite of anything he says is likely to be true, imo...
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in saying that wouldnt put much faith in Rust, no wonder its all doom and gloom
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Anything Topping says is only about 'leverage' - the problem is the idiots running this sport up to now always bought it and then got one free too.
Rust, on the other hand, is a commercial animal through and through, and personally, I'm beginning to think he's actually going to fight racing's corner in an unexpectedly big way... |
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good luck if you keep the faith
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they are moaning that they pay too much to racing now.
I bet they weren't asking to pay more in the good days when racing was there main income . |
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R T is a hard nosed business man .
The diatribe above translates to... 'We get 70%/80% of our gross profits from FOBT's & Football betting, who needs Horse Racing!?' |
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i'm no lover of them but surely in any business you try to get away with as little as you can. they wont be the first or the last. in seeing how the money is spent you wouldnt trust them with the crown jewels. filling pockets seem high on the agenda
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paying as little as you can
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Try and run your shop business without horse racing and you have an "amusement arcade"..
Perhaps that is what they want in which case the maximum stake should be lowered to £2 on the machines and they can save money by not buying the Rancid Post.. The Sheena West debacle when they were turning away multiple backers from taking even money about 16/1 shots shows just how low they have sunk.. Even lower than a cashier when Ralph was settling for Mecca and then Hills... ![]() Tell em it aint so fella.... ![]() |
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^ I'm sure he was at C orals as well felah !
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unless they do something with the fobts its only going to get worse, when the present generation of horse racing punters go the games up
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^ correct amundo !
Topping has caused controversy on Twitter over FOBTs, once tweeting: "Uncle died in WW2 for freedom. He would (twirl) in his overseas grave at its restriction. Died for honesty. Great value to die for." What a despicable excuse for a human being ! |
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Take more water with it halcyon as it is corals (lower case) and fella where I come from....
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O k felah !
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Ralph likes to airbrush over his time as a Saturday settler at Mecca in Glasgow..
The shop manager at the time could have a second settler if they took over 1000 bets (feck me I could do over 2k although in fairness with a calculator) and my pal who still manages a small firm was the lucky recipient of what he termed "the smelliest man ever" at what passed for a weekend (closed Sundays no night racing) and so spent Saturday afternoon in the pub and returned to cash up and was gone by 4pm in the winter.. I am convinced that Ralph was traumatised by this wanton dereliction of duty and since those days was determined to make sure that no-one that worked for any firm that he controlled would take the rise again... Ergo single manning minimum wage Sunday and night racing and early opening.. Mind you that freak was a sex pest as he rose through the ranks (allegedly)... |
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Hi Homeforth
I was with Mecca and Hills in London and had a lot of run ins with that ######.You dont no the half of it.Your last statement was not confined to Glasgow. |
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"minimum staking levels are enforced on low margin horse racing bets."- suits me
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About time the bha grew a set of ballllllllls and do the right thing push for the fobt machines to be limited to small change for the good of the horse racing industry they will then see a different attitude from the bookmakers who have them in the palm of thier hands
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halcyon days • November 21, 2015 7:29 PM GMT
R T is a hard nosed business man . The diatribe above translates to... 'We get 70%/80% of our gross profits from FOBT's & Football betting, who needs Horse Racing!? I have it on far more reliable authority its 53% |
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apologies that FOBTS only.
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just out of interest, does anyone know how much the bookmakers actually paid into racing last year incl levy payments, sponsorship etc
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Think the BHA (or whatever it's called these days) has shot itself in the foot big style over this sponsorship thing.
I also don't understand why the levy is based on profits - if every favourite wins at Cheltneham and Royal Ascot there will be no profits and therefore no levy going back to the industry despite it putting on all the racing. ![]() Would be much simpler if bookies simply pay a fixed percentage of all stakes - 1%, 2% or whatever is needed to get the levy upto the accepted level). That way it encourages the horse racing industry to put on a better product for the bookies - better racing = more betting = more levy. |