Maybe they should stop bookmakers taking bets on horse racing full stop and have a 5% tote (no rounding, all pools) and pump so money back into the sport. Govt gets a cut, racecourses get a cut and punters get a fair deal.

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racingguru 06 Nov 15 21:56 Joined: 06 Jan 01 | Topic/replies: 1,822 | Blogger: racingguru's blog
Maybe they should stop bookmakers taking bets on horse racing full stop and have a 5% tote (no rounding, all pools) and pump so money back into the sport. Govt gets a cut, racecourses get a cut and punters get a fair deal.

Never happen.





















Too sensible.

so siralex...not the point i agree but aint they actually done you a favour long term?

"better than Betfair on singles"  I should have said

but if you're winning plenty nowadays why dont you just use an exchange even if the odds may be slightly reduced?

there cant be enuff hrs in a day if you're studying to place 20 bets and working full time..

so there are actual tipsters who produce good profits?

its just a pity you aint in a position to lay fallers to get by then innit.

Do the bookmakers share private details between each other on a reciprocal basis about account closures and restrictions? Surely is somebody on the inisde who posts on here who knows. You do wonder if more than coincidence.

TIME TO PROTEST PEOPLE: Shame the industry..we need 100 000 sigs to take up in parliament..
Paul Haigh step forward and help us organise.
Sick of these society leechers taking from the vulnerable and gambling addicts via the crack cocaine gaming machines
AND not playing ball with real punters..They are a complete disgrace...lets form a pressure group..take it to your politicians.
Lets get the ball rolling

This just isnt about horses , i mainly bet on other sports footbal NFL Golf Darts
a good 80% of my accts have been restricted /closed , im not a massive punter , had a few decent winners but a fair few losers
The annoying thing is when you ring and ask why , you get the box standard response ' its a traders decision' and nothing more you can do
running out of friends,  family & extra bank accounts now

Complimentary Buffet on Counter at local Bookies.. 'Machine Players Only'.. I kid You not

How can you eat in a room with a load of sweaty old men, farting everywhere??

My missus does it every day

With apologies to anyone tired of my contributions on these threads, some of the things posted, while I agree entirely with the sentiments, are forgetting some really fundamental truths about this industry:


The BHA generate revenue from bookmaker profits, not turnover, so if the bookmaker restrictions work, they benefit racing - another reason why the gross profits deal is an obscene blight on this sport.

Even if you put aside the bookmaker advertising, and the probability in my view, that William Hill are shareholders in the RP's parent company centurycom, The Racing Post have a profit sharing betting app with William Hill and Ladbrokes - they are a bookmaker in all but name.

The rest of the media platforms rely on the patronage of the bookmaking industry for revenue, and with a few honourable exceptions, most of the people working in the media are also working for the bookmaking industry on the side.


So no one, repeat no one, is ever going to make a stand for punters on this issue. We either bend over and accept the shameless misrepresentation of the bookmaking industry's commercial policies by a corrupt and complicit media in what is little short of institutionalised collusive fraud, or punters, as a group, have to do something about it ourselves - as everyone is bored of me saying, businesses built on lies are not difficult to expose, and the notion that, if you bet with bookmakers and win you won't be able to bet any more, getting in to the mainstream, is kryptonite to them, imho.

No one in this industry is going to make a stand against bookmaker profitability - quite brilliantly, they have leveraged themselves into a position where every last sector relies on their continued success in removing our money...

The most disturbing theme that emerges from many is the belief that traders are sharing information about non-profitable customers.
If you use the exchanges then any idiot could see through betting habits those who should be avoided.
If you show that you keep to ground rules like betting to a staking plan resisting many handicaps and looking for value/beating SP EVEN IF YOU ARE IN THE RED then you would be considered not suitable. The traders cant include so called Arbers as the liquidity is just not there.

hi I have been shut down by spoilsports c  ls and others and I understand my selective bets are not economic and the post were not sympathetic at all .Also tom segal is no longer very good and I hear he has a job with lads is this true?.Very  few pundits seem independent Hugh taylor atr is the best tipster in poor racing only one problem cant get the odds

be interesting to see a table of bookmakers accounts showing the percentage restricted, spoils and one not too far away from here must be comfortably over 90%.

thanks Duncan Idaho I now understand a lot they just monitor the source of sel .What beats me tom segal  tips lost £900 to a tenner and they restrict bets surely they would want to lay?

Has there ever been a trainer or well known owner restricted presumably they will bet armed with info that the majority won't have,or are we to believe they do it all for fun and enjoy giving money away.