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Yes I know we all know it happens, but is it getting to a point where people will not even bother with racing at all in the future - why would you want to get involved in a sport to bet on where you cannot even have the chance of winning? More and more people know nowadays that if anyone wins a tin of beans they are banned?
In the last week I have had BOG taken away with Hills and every bet seems to go to traders.
SJ shut because it looks like I won't be profitable (£170 down after 16 bets with 3 winners). I was given the "arber" line when we all know there is no such thing nowadays as the liquidity on here is atrocious.
Lads restricted to a fiver takeout after 22 bets and 2 winners and down £720
Boils 5 bets with 5 losers (down £575) - cannot get a bet on without risk warning
Tote - max £100 takeout after 6 bets
Here - complete waste of space after 1 bet with a winner
It is getting to the point they should not be given a license unless they lay some sort of bet surely, how many people are getting banned who will be longterm losers and beneficial to the sport?? When will anyone step in for punters, what is the Gambling Commissions role, what can, or does the spineless BHA do to help the sport they should govern, bar taking their ridiculous salaries and pensions?
The sport has been going downhill fast the last few year and the pace is certainly not slowing down. This season could well be my last as it just seems pointless if I cannot even get a bet on and just too much hassle.
In the last week I have had BOG taken away with Hills and every bet seems to go to traders.
SJ shut because it looks like I won't be profitable (£170 down after 16 bets with 3 winners). I was given the "arber" line when we all know there is no such thing nowadays as the liquidity on here is atrocious.
Lads restricted to a fiver takeout after 22 bets and 2 winners and down £720
Boils 5 bets with 5 losers (down £575) - cannot get a bet on without risk warning
Tote - max £100 takeout after 6 bets
Here - complete waste of space after 1 bet with a winner
It is getting to the point they should not be given a license unless they lay some sort of bet surely, how many people are getting banned who will be longterm losers and beneficial to the sport?? When will anyone step in for punters, what is the Gambling Commissions role, what can, or does the spineless BHA do to help the sport they should govern, bar taking their ridiculous salaries and pensions?
The sport has been going downhill fast the last few year and the pace is certainly not slowing down. This season could well be my last as it just seems pointless if I cannot even get a bet on and just too much hassle.
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Take away their FOBTS, that'll push them into a corner. All of the staff will have to be retrained, and then they'll have to decide
whether to play the game that has made them billions over the years, or sell bread and milk. |
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i think the effect of these account closures/restrictions on the levy has slowly begun to dawn on those tasked with running racing...remains to be seen what can or will be done about it
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20 years ago, you could get a decent bet on in the shops, the prize money was good,
today you cant get a decent bet on, and the prize money is shocking. wheres Einstein ? |
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Were the horses you backed significantly beating SP though?
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they only priced up 2/3 races a day.
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TheFear 06 Nov 15 11:01
Were the horses you backed significantly beating SP though? Who f****** cares whether they beat SP or not? If their traders/ odds compilers were doing their job it is irrelevant  |
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I don't think magic daps is giving the full story. If you're backing horses at say 10/1 and they keep going off at 3s, it doesn't matter if they win or lose you're going to be marked.
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How many horses a week, open at 10 into 3 each week.,.
Agree IDKW, if a trader thinks its a 10/1 chance and hes wrong, thats all part of the game, what happens when it go's the other way |
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The trader's 10/1 opinion might be correct on all known form. Except he doesn't know Barney Curley's the trainer not joe bloggs and it's not been off in it's last 6 runs?
I'm not defending the bookmakers im just making the point that beating the odds is JUST as important as the winner/loser ratio it seems. |
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I hope the newly created bettors forum can have some influence on the BHA position but if not by the time the BHA wake up to the position it will be too late. Personally I can only get on to any meaningful amount with Hills , 365 , Lads and PP take out £30/£50. Corals £0. Fred £0. I'm a medium stakes punter who loves the game and wants to exercise skill and judgement.in pursuit of my hobby. Isn't that the whole point of the game ffs - that's it deuced difficult to win but that it's POSSIBLE? Take the possibility away and what's the point?
Trawling round the shops trying to get the odd £50 on and being regarded akin to a criminal because you are betting on horses rather than the ceaselessly promoted machines is not much fun either. And that's before the shops start barring/restricting you. The ONLY solution is for the right to bet on racing to be subject to a minimum liability guarantee per punter, amount dependant on quality of race. Unless the BHA grasp this nettle , the levy will inevitably decline and racing suffer.... |
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Should be a full stop after Hills.
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Yes I have generally been beating SP, but if they advertise a price surely they are happy to take money on said bet aren't they, and then what they do is adjust prices and make a book - that term is called bookmaking. I am not asking for a thousand per bet, if I want to get 300 on I will try and bet it over 8 accounts and some even taking a shorter price elsewhere.
I can tell you now that the 5 bets with boils were not standout industry biggest at all, and yes I do and try and get best price (who don't), but if the firms actually took a view on a race they may go back to actually winning on an event rather than playing everyone individually. I have been betting for over 20 years and when I started I used to go in my local lads, one person who I speak to now regularly used to win money year on year. He could easily have a few hundred on anything over the counter back then and there wouldn't be a phonecall to traders etc. They would take it and that was that, he never got banned or restricted. Back then they used to make plenty being bookmakers, now the reliance on the machines and online casinos is certainly telling on racing. The game is seriously doomed. |
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Imagine supermarkets started banning people just because you only bought products when they were on offer or bygof there would be an outcry.
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The ONLY solution is for the right to bet on racing to be subject to a minimum liability guarantee per punter, amount dependant on quality of race
I don't think you can make it part of a right to bet on just racing, but it should be a condition of licence across ALL sports, because I don't think racing is in a strong enough position to hold a gun to the bookmaker's heads in this way. They would likely be happy to stop taking bets on UK racing all together, and increase the number of cartoon races they show in shops. |
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Ted, They know they are getting away with murder regarding horseracing, and even they know that if it carries on like it is,
then something drastic will have to be done. theyre just milking it until someone has the b0llox to step in |
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The off course firms need racing to the extent that it provides a smoke screen and justification for shops remaining open so that the machines can produce their guaranteed profit. They don't want racing bets from anyone who is not a proven mug. In enforcing this policy they are prepared to exclude/limit people who may be long term losers but have either hit a short term lucky streak or don't lose at the required rate.
Until the BHA grasp this betting on racing is in terminal decline. How could it be otherwise? |
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if they stop offering bog, then maybe they wouldnt restrict so many accounts. i just dont see how the books offering bog on small field races can win.
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If the Gambling Connission actually decided to follow their licensing objectives, then maybe we'd get somewhere
The licensing objectives 1.3 The licensing objectives are set out in the Act2 and are: • preventing gambling from being a source of crime or disorder, being associated with crime or disorder or being used to support crime • ensuring that gambling is conducted in a fair and open way • protecting children and other vulnerable persons from being harmed or exploited by gambling |
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This argument about beating sp is quite ridiculous. Given that bookmakers fiddle the sp price, it's almost impossible not to beat sp, if you bet early.
The fact is they only want you to back at sp where, like FOBT's, their profit is guaranteed. If the Starting Price Regulatory commission did their job properly, many punters wouldn't be beating sp. Of course, this will never happen, because the bookmaker has influence in every racing regulatory body. In the meantime, the bookmakers have filled racing.  |
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I've just been banned today from ****. First time in 30years been banned by a Bookmaker, chuffed to bits!! :-) LOL!!
What is your query about? Sportsbook How can we help today? Bet Refusal Louise Fri, 11/06/15 11:24:02 am Europe/London Hello Pete. How may I help you? Pete 11:24:47 am Please can you tell me why you've refused a bet of £25 at 9/4 and again at 15/8. HArdly going to bankrupt anybody Louise 11:25:01 am Let me check that for you. Would you mind waiting for a few moments? Pete 11:25:18 am OK Louise 11:28:41 am Thank you for waiting, Pete. Having checked your recent attempts, it appears that the bets are being rejected by automatic risk controls that have been put in place by our Trading Department. We are sorry; however, on review of your details, it would appear very unlikely that any bet restrictions will be lifted. Pete 11:30:32 am What a joke! If you dont want my business just tell me, i'll close the account and happy to go elsewhere. I'm hardly a big punter, or is it because i don't do the slots or casinos Louise 11:31:08 am Please be advised that we operate an automatic bet acceptance process through a series of internal risk management processes which have been developed around our pricing and product offering. Pete 11:33:01 am what kind of gobblygook is that. I'll withdraw my whole £25 whilst i still can before you go bust, and then i#ll close the account. I look forward to forwarding a copy of the transcript to various websites, good for the ego and all that. First time in 30 years ive been banned by a bookie for winning, YAY! Louise 11:33:42 am Whilst we understand your position, this is a comprehensive and robust process and it is highly unlikely that any account parameters would be reversed. However, you still can play on other platforms we offer such as Boylecasino, Boylegames and Boylebingo. You can place your bets on the above platform without any restriction. Pete 11:34:43 am LOL! Brilliant, love it!!!!!! Louise 11:35:21 am Will there be anything else I may assist you with? Pete 11:36:25 am NO,. ive just withdrawn my £25, when it has been processed please close my account and remove all of my details from your databases, including emails and marketing communications. Thankyou Louise 11:38:27 am I understand that you wish to close the account due to the restriction. In order for me to assist you, would you mind confirming a few details for your own security? What is your full address, date of birth and the answer to your secret question - What is your mother's maiden name? Pete 11:39:37 am Louise 11:40:53 am Thank you. I have now closed your account as requested. Pete 11:41:19 am Thankyou Duration: 17m 24s |
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Some good posts on this thread, none better than parispike's:
The off course firms need racing to the extent that it provides a smoke screen and justification for shops remaining open so that the machines can produce their guaranteed profit. They don't want racing bets from anyone who is not a proven mug. In enforcing this policy they are prepared to exclude/limit people who may be long term losers but have either hit a short term lucky streak or don't lose at the required rate. Until the BHA grasp this betting on racing is in terminal decline. How could it be otherwise? |
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can't believe that you've closed your account thus giving up the opportunity of playing boylebingo.....
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Soon wont be a job for these so called traders and odds compilers. . .Great work boys trading decesioning
 yourself out of a job /s in the very near future. |
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Quite posy, Coral made a similar "gesture" to me. I told them to Pheck Off
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Quite posy, Coral made a similar "gesture" to me. I told them to Pheck Off
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Betfair Sportsbook are one of the worst at refusing bets and are an absolute disgrace.
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"can't believe that you've closed your account thus giving up the opportunity of playing boylebingo....."
Yeah, might have been a bit rash there! :-) |
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As someone has suggested, take away these stupid pathetic FOBTs for the stupid pathetic people that play them - save their sad lives first and let's get back to betting how it should be.
Going into a bookies now is like visiting a circus. Can hardly hear the racing commentary for the nonsense tunes coming off these bloody machines. While we are on a rant, I would absolutely love Ladbrokes to go bust. |
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Eddie Fremantle Retweeted
John Lindsay @Gastrofund 2h2 hours ago Complimentary Buffet on Counter at local Bookies.. 'Machine Players Only'.. I kid You not  |
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thought having b o g taken away might mean i could get more reasonable amounts on but it made no difference whatsoever , same restrictions , seems they want it every way
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I couldn't care less if they get rid of BOG, as mentioned all they do is fiddle it to suit themselves anyway or come out afterwards with the line "it doesn't apply to your account". When it's got to the point you cannot get a 100 quid on a horse that is around 6/7-1 with 6 or 7 accounts there is something seriously wrong with the whole setup.
That comment regarding the buffet is not that much of a surprise though is it - that's where their priorities lie now, it is blatantly obvious. |
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it is a surprise that they are so blatant about it for the sake of a few butties
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It's a mighty shame we don't have a Racing paper with journalists who can report a few things to their paying customers.....
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Tweet Millington. And get blocked.
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Agree sad situation i myself given up with tradional bookies 'so called' - ain't worth agro bhb should realize situation is disgrace....btw Dillian Whyte will stop AJ 9's for win
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Paris - I don't do any of that social media stuff, if I did I would be exposing them all on a daily basis and it would take over!! I would post up their live chats, emails, screenshots of 17p maximum allowed etc etc....
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Daps the only reason you're betting with these bookmakers and not here is surely because of odds ? so a mistake by them ,so you just look an arber to them and myself whatever you say.
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lol - arbing on horses early - can anyone explain how anyone can do that on bf? with pennies on here?
Truth is bookies are inept, their odds compilers, risk managers, management ...the lot of them. So their default is to shut people down. There should be a rule take a bet to lose 1k from anyone or you can't take bets on that product. Should be part of their bookmaking licence terms. |
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Big 5 bookmakers don't want to take bets on horses ,they won't stop until they run racing into the ground
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