Fred Winter's The Dealer

And i thought you was a crewpeea

If my username was a horse it would of been ELA MANNA MOU

Guy Harwoods was between it and Rodman a hurdler he also had at that time

Yep Guy Harwoods . . . Won the Coral Eclipse i believe at 10/3.

I cant rem what i had for dinner yesterday, aint it mad what you can remember

might be miles out but was he not around the same time as troy

Your not wrong dealer. Troy won the derby by 7 lengths beating 2 group 1 winners or future group 1 winners. Ela Manna Mou was 4th and stayed in training as a 4 year old where he was voted European horse of the year. Always thought that was one of the best Derbies ever because of group 1 and future group 1 winners in it yet Carson didn't think Troy was the best he rode. Memory is going badly wrong but I think one of the placed horses was a French horse called Northern Baby. Onlooker will know.

many thanks timmy   happy days

Troys Derby for future high class winners is 1 of the best i can remember.
Timmy yes Northern Baby did run 3rd won the champion stakes later in year and finished 3rd in the eclipse to Dickens hill who was 2nd to troy in the derby.
Ela mana mou came into his own as a 4yr old as stated winning earl of sefton/ eclipse /Prince Of Wales and King George.
Behind Troy in that Derby was the winners of Irish and English 2000 gns and subsequent winners of the 2 legers Son Of Love and Niniski.

When Son Of Love won the Leger it was the front page splash of The Sporting Life. I believe they tipped it at 40/1. It was a poor result in the shops.

Re The Dealer, his big season was 1977/78, when he won five chases in a row culminating in the Embassy Premier Chase Final at Haydock in mid January. Timeform rated him the best novice that season on 145 and compared him favourably to Midnight Court, who went on to win the resecheduled 1978 Gold Cup in April.

Unfortunately he sustained an injury at Haydock that meant he missed the remainder of the season and he only made one further appearance on a racecourse, when he was pulled up lame in a hunter chase at Nottingham in February 1980, by which time he'd left Fred Winter.

In his absence, the 1978 Sun Alliance Chase was won by Sweet Joe (by 25 lengths!), but even that only earned him a Timeform rating of 139.

i used to look after troy when he went to stud, the saddest of days when found him dead in his stable, died of a twisted gut.

Ashleigh

I am deducting the dealer is about 55 years old

Dont think your far out timeless . . . .

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Yep Guy Harwoods . . . Won the Coral Eclipse i believe at 10/3.

I cant rem what i had for dinner yesterday, aint it mad what you can remember



That's because it aint available on Google!

Stats i very rarely use google, i try to remember things

Aldaniti was 11/1  . . . i think when it won ther national

#Jesting

thanks the Anorak, not quite timeless, 53 loved racing from an early age.

Hello dealer.
Sorry for clogging up your thread

Hope all's well

i dont mind at all

everything A okay

Here's a link to the Glasgow Herald of the day at Haydock with the Embassy Final. (p15)


https://news.google.co.uk/newspapers?nid=GGgVawPscysC&dat=19780121&printsec=frontpage&hl=en


6 runners - winners of 40 races between them, The Dealer winner of 9, on a 5 timer.

6yo Silver Buck tops the card in a novice handicap hurdle carrying 12-7 and Michael D, on a 4-timer.

Attivo and 11yo Comedy Of Errors meet in a handicap hurdle in the 2nd race.

Other old favs feature further down.

wow ged cheers, real blasts from the past on those cards, gay spartan of the dickensons

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