The end is nigh?

have you ever considered putting a bet on pre-race

So little on that last race at Chelmsford. Not sure it's the best guide but was still depressingly dire.

1 sh1t meeting on live video with nothing inbetween for 30 minutes.
A high % of customers struggling to log in.
16 europa league games on with Liverpool, Tottenham and Celtic playing

All = a false reading. Not that it is great at other times, just that tonight is understandable.

The game's dominated by lurkers who only want to click when the odds are hugely in their favour,,,

lets hope so

that's because no one can log in Roida

in running punters like money more than they like racing, wouldnt bother me if they got put out of business

Same with any kind of betting is it not?

The BHA stated the other day that they were targeting Thursday night as a GOOD night for racing as it's not a great night for football.

HowTheMightyFall 22 Oct 15 19:04 
have you ever considered putting a bet on pre-race

what like the other millions who dont get any further forward.

roida failed pre race, now he pays to win

All liqudity on Horse Racing (pre race included) is in decline due in part but not entirely to the following factors.
1) A decrease in public interest in betting on Horse Racing largely due to people having other things to bet on and younger people not taking up betting on Horse Racing.
2) Betfair's decision to stop promoting the Exchange and concentrate all efforts and advertising into a Sportsbook facility in which only losing customers are allowed to bet and hence lose money direct to Betfair.
3) Saturation of wall to wall racing allowed/caused by the bookmaker driven organistation that "runs" the sport.
4) The new website causing technical issues which prevent some customers from accessing it and also putting others off because they hate the interface.
5) Punters getting turned off by the blind eye taken to the corruption within the Sport.

Have I missed anything?

oneyallbeenwaiting4 22 Oct 15 19:33 
roida failed pre race, now he pays to win


ive been around gamblers along time and not many make a living punting pre race.

still waiting for you to post a p&l.

when only 1 uk evening meet........inrunning peops log off at 6pm

You have missed out the most important factor affecting in-running which is people at the track and those with fast pictures having a massive advantage over everyone else. Eventually the majority give up or go skint.

lets have a whip round for roida

You missed the last in the King George back in the day when I thought you were a certainty and backed you accordingly. Still sends a shiver down my spine.

JB, correct. As far as in-running betting is concerned that is correct. The complete lack of fairness of the in-running delays will have send plenty skint and persuaded others to give up. ATR complicity in intentionally delaying pictures has undoubtedly contributed to the demise of the in-running markets also.
Kitkatt, if you will back dodgy jumpers (as did I, not one of the high points of my betting past!)...

All part of the learning curve.

no track players at chelms..just raw feeders..(prob callers though)

In all seriousness, it was almost certainly a value bet in spite of the outcome!

The Racing Post is a poor shop window for racing, ATR is a poor shop window for racing, the bookmakers promote products with higher margins, RUK is ok but too expensive for average Joe, BHA run the sport badly. Basically no one promotes the game in a good way.

The Post's coverage of IR is basically Rodway saying something went 1.04 and something else went 1.05.

I don't think the Post is there to promote in-running betting but I do think the paper's coverage overall is poor and like the rest of the media will brush any suggestion of corruprion or incompetence within the sport under the carpet as best it can.
I also think their rancid slow website is offputting for punters.

Even though I took quite a financial hit by my own standards, I was actually more disappointed for the horse and connections, as it was about to be one of the great KG performances.

I was on that day too kk - Adrian Maguire as far as I remember

ha ha lurkers ... so in other words you want people taking worse odds you are offering to give you a profit .. not that you are a lurker at all . :)

good job my fortune is made then..

FOYDSFNC

the end will be 1 hour nearer on sunday according to the augustine calender

very nice mart..do you know her?

i dont bother putting my clocks back cr4ig...saves the clart on next march.

kfc will close earlier.roida sets his clock by it

10-4 stevie you da man

rodia my bird has a nicer asssss than her dood am not joking am a lucky man
12 years younger but she is a fiesty one !

wazzza the fergison horse in the 2nd race looks a good thing chelters

your bird is made of latex marty...

mart hawair man...a novice 1st time over fences at chelts...any of the 3 could win the race.

other 3*

and sh1t form

bigfart walks into a pub and asks for a pint of anything except Stella.

Barman asks, "What's wrong with Stella?"

Bigfart says, "I had 12 pints of Stella last night and when I came round I was f**king skint."

Barman says, "12 pints of anything costs about the same."

Bigfart replies, "Skint's my dog."

chavman    23 Oct 15 00:14 
and sh1t form

5th in supreme is prob the best form cr4ig..

As with all the freebies they come to the end, chain letters etc etc etc even the most naive learn in the end! Be glad you milked the cow while it was still producing

roiders we shall see tomorrow u missed the 11/4 when i posted up

correct. rip

i thought you were on about the henderson thing in the 1st yesterday.my apologliies

al let the horse do the talking

What if it says moo???

The wolf of wallsend will just have to accept a few less sheckles per clickety click.

2.00  £14     
2.02  £24  £8   
2.04  £2   
2.06  £2     
2.08  £0   
2.1   £6   
2.12  £8   
2.14  £3   
2.18  £4   
2.2   £8   
2.22  £180   
2.24  £6     
2.3   £6   
2.36  £10   
2.38  £1   
2.4   £4   
2.44  £2   
2.46  £4   
2.48  £0   
2.54  £18   
2.6   £4   
2.62  £1   
3     £97   
3.05  £24   
3.1   £23   
3.15  £3  £65   
3.20  £2  £86   
3.25  £19   
3.3   £13   
3.35  £4   
3.4   £3   
3.45  £0   
3.6   £5   
3.65  £2   
3.75  £7   
4.00  £0  £4   
4.1   £0   
4.3   £0   
4.6   £3   
5     £30   
5.50  £5  £1   
5.6   £26   
5.7   £6   
5.8   £18   
5.9   £7   
6.00  £2  £63

silca star , came second , but that is pretty poor liquidity of which is becoming more frequently seen

Past race time in a hot newbury maiden and only 250k matched pre race. Would be nearer the million few years ago and around 750 few months ago.
Can get enough on Purple pre race these days so it makes sense

It's nothing to do with purple. It is a combination of declining interest and Betfair directing customers on to the Sportsbook.

PC was the beginning of the end imo

Oct 23, 2015 -- 3:39PM, Barton Bank wrote:

It's nothing to do with purple. It is a combination of declining interest and Betfair directing customers on to the Sportsbook.

I noticed a conversation between Betfair Helpdesk (supposedly no affiliation to either platform) Twitter account and a customer last night; BF after a lengthy discussion finally suggested the customer go to the exchange if that's what he really wanted to do, as if it were some black market operation.

I doubt many PC payers win all of the time - some win most of the time - some win nearly all of the time - before PC, when you had a losing run you knew what you had to do - for most that was battening down the hatches and ploughing on until the tide turned but since the charge came in most PC payers were so far behind there was no coming back. Some batted on and got in deeper some got out early, and the rest? Well just a handful are still plugging away. But the fat lady is warming up stage left, and she will be heard unless a miracle happens 

Has anyone got any hard stats to back up this assertion that i/r overall is dying?

Could it just be liquidity is down for the last 2f?

Good afternoon Wes, it seems to me that posting a low IR figure is proof that it is all over, whereas if you post a big one "it's not REAL money you fool". I agree in some ways liquidity is down from a while back but the idea nothing gets matched anymore is plainly not true.

That race at Cheltenham for example had £225K matched IR....

Wesdag 23 Oct 15 16:20 
Has anyone got any hard stats to back up this assertion that i/r overall is dying?

Could it just be liquidity is down for the last 2f?


last2-3f is dire now.

A jumps race on a channel that doesn't have a massive delay will always atttact more money in running than Flat races on one that does but I bet there would have been more traded a few years ago nonetheless.

Probably too many weary about joining the "1.01 gubbed club" roi.

the 40%  killed  the golden goose  .. in running ....... or backing the certs . zipper

one thing sure for the money buyers...those who have lost big recently (ie weight cloth incident at Redcar last week) it will take a lot longer to get their dosh back in the current climate. A few seeds of doubt for these type of players.

Maybe a few have decided it's time to take a break.

Instability of the new site can't be helping. I used to put up prices as keeps for in-running with idea of cancelling around half way but now I daren't as can't be sure I will be able to cancel when I want to.

Less mug money about for the track players to sweep up. Still plenty if you have an opinion.
The players feeling it the worst will be the ones that pick the once easy money late on for larger amounts 2 seconds ahead of everyone else.

yes thx thats me.

The failed pre race punters who are too clueless to have an opinion,bitching that there is no money around for them to steal,you couldn't make it up

TRD , some people do both . back/lay pre race and in-running

I am not sure why you love to moan about in-running betting all the time though

Polite enquiry TRD, do you have a tipping service?

PM if you so wish.

Pablo I back and lay pre race and in running,I have no problem with those that play in running.

However,moaning that there is no money about for people who are are seconds in front either at the track or from a raw feed is just laughable. Why the feck should people on slower pics leave money hanging around for lazy bastards who have no opinion and can't be bothered to do any work.

Wes No I do not

you are half right in a sense, but I would say that some people that leave the prices up are happy to do so, or have reasons for doing so , such as horses doesn't find, easy back to lay ( free bets ) etc .

1.01 do lose and 1000/1 do win .

it's all a game and people play however they see fit

someone ask TRD to post his last 3 mths p&l so so it can be substantiated he indeed makes the pre race game pay.

1.01 he wont

pablo-fanque
pablo-fanque 23 Oct 15 21:29 Joined: 22 Oct 14 | Topic/replies: 1,790 | Blogger: pablo-fanque's blog
you are half right in a sense, but I would say that some people that leave the prices up are happy to do so, or have reasons for doing so , such as horses doesn't find, easy back to lay ( free bets ) etc .

1.01 do lose and 1000/1 do win .

it's all a game and people play however they see fit

roidas favourite game is pocket billiards

Oooh goody cr4ig is playing cracker again...