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As we all know, bookies don't want any customers with any modicum of ability. I'm heavily restricted from the vast majority of bookies, and I think it's time to setup a clean set of accounts in a friends name.
So, how to evade detection?
From a tech point of view, I presume bookies have a way of tracking me on my laptop / phone / work pc and therefore linking the new accounts back to me.
1) Do I need a new pc?
2) Do I need a new internet connection?
3) Do I need a new phone?
4) Is it unsafe to use the new accounts from my work pc?
Really hoping there is a way to hide my identity without going to those lengths...
Also from a punting point of view:
1) Might it be wise to throw a few "mug" bets at the new accounts so that they think I'm useless?
2) If so, what are the best mug bets that the bookies will love, but I can easily trade out of?
So, how to evade detection?
From a tech point of view, I presume bookies have a way of tracking me on my laptop / phone / work pc and therefore linking the new accounts back to me.
1) Do I need a new pc?
2) Do I need a new internet connection?
3) Do I need a new phone?
4) Is it unsafe to use the new accounts from my work pc?
Really hoping there is a way to hide my identity without going to those lengths...
Also from a punting point of view:
1) Might it be wise to throw a few "mug" bets at the new accounts so that they think I'm useless?
2) If so, what are the best mug bets that the bookies will love, but I can easily trade out of?
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What a sad and sorry state the Bookmaking industry is in nowdays.
There must be thousands of us betting in friends and family names.
And the worst of the lot is this place's Sportsbook.....WAFJ
There must be thousands of us betting in friends and family names.
And the worst of the lot is this place's Sportsbook.....WAFJ
Just tried to place a muggy £5 antepost accumulator on league winners with Baldfred. Stake got restricted to 25p, then bet placement failed because apparently 25p is below the minimum :S :lol:
It wont work, you need to try something else, even going into shops is a non event as they wil restrict you in there as well, you need to find an edge on here, if you do then you will be fine
I changed internet provider and the new ip addy is a start.
If your friend/family member has not had an account before then you should go undetected as long as at different residence to you.
If your friend/family member has not had an account before then you should go undetected as long as at different residence to you.
marko69 • July 12, 2015 11:29 AM BST
It wont work, you need to try something else, even going into shops is a non event as they wil restrict you in there as well, you need to find an edge on here, if you do then you will be fine
Preferably a f*cking sword!
It wont work, you need to try something else, even going into shops is a non event as they wil restrict you in there as well, you need to find an edge on here, if you do then you will be fine
Preferably a f*cking sword!
joke industry.
regulated by an organisation who also dont give a fk about their discrimination of punters.
the GC's job could be done by the fsa in regards to monies held by bookmakers.
the industry need a proper regulator with the punter being listened to
regulated by an organisation who also dont give a fk about their discrimination of punters.
the GC's job could be done by the fsa in regards to monies held by bookmakers.
the industry need a proper regulator with the punter being listened to
I use cr ap cleaner to tidy up the cookies and such that they leave on the PC.
Yes money tree but not for very long, its frustrating opening new accounts as they dont last regardless if you win or not, oddly enough the best online account I've used recently is ladbrokes, they allow liability usually 1k-2k and wont restrict until you have won 3-4k profit and thats even using tipsters such as sir hugh, the most pathetic are boyles/corals/baldy/365 etc, number 1 has to be stan james, their prices are great but once you bite.................................................. you gone
All you need for a new identity to escape most bookmaker's attentions is....
a) a new card, under a new name i.e. your friend/family member's from their new bank account
b) some ip address changing software such as hotspot shield for computer and phone
You must not follow any leading tipsters, and you must not regularly beat sp (although that's practically impossible given how fixed sp is nowadays).
You will then have 3 months max before you need to do it all again.
a) a new card, under a new name i.e. your friend/family member's from their new bank account
b) some ip address changing software such as hotspot shield for computer and phone
You must not follow any leading tipsters, and you must not regularly beat sp (although that's practically impossible given how fixed sp is nowadays).
You will then have 3 months max before you need to do it all again.
The gambling commission is there to
"ensure that gambling is conducted in a fair and open way"
"ensure that gambling is conducted in a fair and open way"
joke industry.
regulated by an organisation who also dont give a fk about their discrimination of punters.
the GC's job could be done by the fsa in regards to monies held by bookmakers.
the industry need a proper regulator with the punter being listened to
Blame the media - it's their job to write the truth, but instead they choose to say nothing at all on the proviso that their accounts aren't ever restricted...
regulated by an organisation who also dont give a fk about their discrimination of punters.
the GC's job could be done by the fsa in regards to monies held by bookmakers.
the industry need a proper regulator with the punter being listened to
Blame the media - it's their job to write the truth, but instead they choose to say nothing at all on the proviso that their accounts aren't ever restricted...
All you need for a new identity to escape most bookmaker's attentions is....
a) a new card, under a new name i.e. your friend/family member's from their new bank account
b) some ip address changing software such as hotspot shield for computer and phone
You must not follow any leading tipsters, and you must not regularly beat sp (although that's practically impossible given how fixed sp is nowadays).
You will then have 3 months max before you need to do it all again.
a) not a problem
b) thanks- thats a much more sensible suggestion than buying new stuff
I don't follow any leading tipsters.... beating SP might be an issue though
What else do they track other than IP address? (And how do I prevent them doing so..?)
a) a new card, under a new name i.e. your friend/family member's from their new bank account
b) some ip address changing software such as hotspot shield for computer and phone
You must not follow any leading tipsters, and you must not regularly beat sp (although that's practically impossible given how fixed sp is nowadays).
You will then have 3 months max before you need to do it all again.
a) not a problem
b) thanks- thats a much more sensible suggestion than buying new stuff
I don't follow any leading tipsters.... beating SP might be an issue though
What else do they track other than IP address? (And how do I prevent them doing so..?)
ive tried talking to the post but all i got was an article which was based on account restrictions etc in australia...
they dont want to bite their advertisers yet in doing that they are biting their customers by not standing up for us.
they dont want to bite their advertisers yet in doing that they are biting their customers by not standing up for us.
I use cr ap cleaner to tidy up the cookies and such that they leave on the PC.
Is that just like CCleaner? How often do I need to run it?
Is that just like CCleaner? How often do I need to run it?
Back in the old days when bookies accepted bets they still made an absolute fortune, I know all their profits now come from fobt's but shirley it would make sense for 1 bookie to change their ways and make a killing, we still have the same number of losing punters as we did before, I guess they like the easy lazy way and until such times new laws come into play with regards to fobt's then they will put in the least effort for profit...
Trouble is they will keep taking your bets till you have a big win under your alias then when you hit them big they will with hold payment .
the GC was the biggest joke.
they said to me if you have a complaint about such practises you should speak to that bookmakers customer service department
i replied well isnt that a bit like turkeys complaining about christmas
they said to me if you have a complaint about such practises you should speak to that bookmakers customer service department
i replied well isnt that a bit like turkeys complaining about christmas
Go all in, what you need is to make the accounts look like mug accounts before you start winning (cover the losses by laying back on here).
If you look even likely to win in the long run they will close you down to nothing, sometimes within the first three bets, but they're likely to assume a losing account is going to be beaten eventually, even if it suddenly starts to win...
If you look even likely to win in the long run they will close you down to nothing, sometimes within the first three bets, but they're likely to assume a losing account is going to be beaten eventually, even if it suddenly starts to win...
they dont want to bite their advertisers yet in doing that they are biting their customers by not standing up for us.
In this incarnation of the Racing Post, we are in no way at all the customers, imo...
In this incarnation of the Racing Post, we are in no way at all the customers, imo...
G1 Jockey, you only have to read Richard Birch's column in the RFO every week to see that the RP and its publications have total contempt for punters, imo...
what i do is use cc cleaner after exiting the browser.
also never have more than one bookmaker or exchange tab on at the same time.
think watching your betting habits is important but if your searching for prices well your gonna have to accept atm that your gonna get closed at some point.
have a good run then always chuck a bit back in silly bets but dont make them too small ...its a bit too obvious.
also dotn bet every day on an account.
make it look like your a casual punter.
going "all in" is a good one also....especially if you have had a few losers in a row on that account.
they love "chasers" and no dount will move heaven and earth to keep a chaser despite their advertising of gambleaware.
also never have more than one bookmaker or exchange tab on at the same time.
think watching your betting habits is important but if your searching for prices well your gonna have to accept atm that your gonna get closed at some point.
have a good run then always chuck a bit back in silly bets but dont make them too small ...its a bit too obvious.
also dotn bet every day on an account.
make it look like your a casual punter.
going "all in" is a good one also....especially if you have had a few losers in a row on that account.
they love "chasers" and no dount will move heaven and earth to keep a chaser despite their advertising of gambleaware.
What else do they track other than IP address? (And how do I prevent them doing so..?)
Some of it has already been mentioned, but to re-iterate......
a) clear all cookies
b) refuse to accept new cookies when opening each bookmaker account
c) google "iesnare", sometimes called mpsnare, and follow instructions on how to get it off your pc.
d) After each account is opened check for iesnare/mpsnare again, to find out which one's are sharing info.
Remember it's a constant battle to keep your pc clean, and don't let it get to you when they close you down. It's all part of the game. You will have, as Millhouse points out, situations where they close losing accounts, which seems incredible, but take it as a badge of honour.
And most of all, be lucky !
Some of it has already been mentioned, but to re-iterate......
a) clear all cookies
b) refuse to accept new cookies when opening each bookmaker account
c) google "iesnare", sometimes called mpsnare, and follow instructions on how to get it off your pc.
d) After each account is opened check for iesnare/mpsnare again, to find out which one's are sharing info.
Remember it's a constant battle to keep your pc clean, and don't let it get to you when they close you down. It's all part of the game. You will have, as Millhouse points out, situations where they close losing accounts, which seems incredible, but take it as a badge of honour.
And most of all, be lucky !
i dont buy the post mate.
apart form the odd article i never found it worth reading.
prefer the form book layout online
apart form the odd article i never found it worth reading.
prefer the form book layout online
G1 Jockey, me neither - I doubt many punters do, given that it's effectively declared war on its own readers...
but take it as a badge of honour
i would do but my mountains account got restricted way back after placing one bet in years and that was a silly acca with money left over after deciding to join p stars....switching from mountains who for some reason decided to move from crypto!!
was a bizarre account restriction!!!!
i would do but my mountains account got restricted way back after placing one bet in years and that was a silly acca with money left over after deciding to join p stars....switching from mountains who for some reason decided to move from crypto!!
was a bizarre account restriction!!!!
Thanks for all the advice guys.
also never have more than one bookmaker or exchange tab on at the same time.
Interesting one this. What's the logic behind it?
what you need is to make the accounts look like mug accounts before you start winning (cover the losses by laying back on here).
What should be my mug bets of choice? Normally I do some big multiples on 365, and thus far it's been helpful as my account is still unrestricted. Multi's are harder to cover on betfair though. Would I be best off just hitting a few favourites hard that I think will lose? (and not taking a standout price?)
Trouble is they will keep taking your bets till you have a big win under your alias then when you hit them big they will with hold payment .
Yeah I'll make sure that anything with major liabilities e.g. big multiples are done in my name. I'll just do my general day to day single betting on the new accounts, so if they withhold payment it'll only ever be a few grand and not a life changer.
also never have more than one bookmaker or exchange tab on at the same time.
Interesting one this. What's the logic behind it?
what you need is to make the accounts look like mug accounts before you start winning (cover the losses by laying back on here).
What should be my mug bets of choice? Normally I do some big multiples on 365, and thus far it's been helpful as my account is still unrestricted. Multi's are harder to cover on betfair though. Would I be best off just hitting a few favourites hard that I think will lose? (and not taking a standout price?)
Trouble is they will keep taking your bets till you have a big win under your alias then when you hit them big they will with hold payment .
Yeah I'll make sure that anything with major liabilities e.g. big multiples are done in my name. I'll just do my general day to day single betting on the new accounts, so if they withhold payment it'll only ever be a few grand and not a life changer.
i would do but my mountains account got restricted way back after placing one bet in years and that was a silly acca with money left over after deciding to join p stars....switching from mountains who for some reason decided to move from crypto!!
The most bizarre closure I'v had was racebets.com ... I'd placed 3 bets in 12 months with them, all losers. The final straw was a whopping £30 on Tiggy Wiggy for her guineas trial at a very short price. She lost. The next day I got shut down
The most bizarre closure I'v had was racebets.com ... I'd placed 3 bets in 12 months with them, all losers. The final straw was a whopping £30 on Tiggy Wiggy for her guineas trial at a very short price. She lost. The next day I got shut down
shows in the history and i dont trust the "do not track" option.....i prefer to go full lockdown
think the rp article on account barring in aus pointed this out about having other tabs open
Thanks.
b) refuse to accept new cookies when opening each bookmaker account
How do I do this? And what / where is the 'do not track' option? (Not that I'd trust it mind...)
b) refuse to accept new cookies when opening each bookmaker account
How do I do this? And what / where is the 'do not track' option? (Not that I'd trust it mind...)
"do not track" will be in internet options on ie or settings on chrome.
Can't remember the previous ones but yeah Tiggy Wiggy was best odds available. They think I'm going to piss around arbing an even money shot with a £30 stake? 
I'm gonna try to find that RP article you refer to. Let me know the link or the title of it if you can remember
I'm gonna try to find that RP article you refer to. Let me know the link or the title of it if you can remember
you will need to email the rp....they photocopied it for me and sent it via email which was quite good of them lol
Don't suppose you still have the email or a copy of the article?
what would you do if there was a proven system operating at 200+ to BSP and on an infinitely upward trajectory long term?
a system delivered, in FULL, on the back of a 100% Guarantee
would you make it pay?
everyone wasting their time himmin n hawwin when they could just back every single one of my tips and join the MASSIVE GUARANTEED WINNERS CLUB
its so ridiculous you cant quite believe it but because it comes from a documented phenomenon it cannot be denied
a system delivered, in FULL, on the back of a 100% Guarantee
would you make it pay?
everyone wasting their time himmin n hawwin when they could just back every single one of my tips and join the MASSIVE GUARANTEED WINNERS CLUB
its so ridiculous you cant quite believe it but because it comes from a documented phenomenon it cannot be denied
ive got a great idea..... whats that? yeah.... another one, it defies belief doesnt it
its called Go Mugpare(c)
A website where mugs can auction off their mug accounts to the highest bidder, the type of accounts that only years of mug punting can create. These are the accounts in bookies lists that do not get monitored, these are huge lists as its not feasible to monitor every account, once you reach a certain level of mugness you get into these lists and it takes something spectacular to even get on their radar once you are in these lists. 75% of this forum are in these lists and with another 87% of the forum being restricted winners, it seems like a potential business bonanza. Could live off the commission.
its called Go Mugpare(c)
A website where mugs can auction off their mug accounts to the highest bidder, the type of accounts that only years of mug punting can create. These are the accounts in bookies lists that do not get monitored, these are huge lists as its not feasible to monitor every account, once you reach a certain level of mugness you get into these lists and it takes something spectacular to even get on their radar once you are in these lists. 75% of this forum are in these lists and with another 87% of the forum being restricted winners, it seems like a potential business bonanza. Could live off the commission.
am on friend number 10 :((,,new SJ account 3x £50 bets not pricewise all tips etc, but all beat SP all 3 lost now barred, even using new computer n broadband..
Lads will last longest few weeks until max bet £5 tops, WH ok 4 a month then pointless unless u want to bet in coins..
Sly dont even bother, coral week max, then max bet 50p, BetUnfair waste of time send ID then after a few bets it be pence..
Fred few weeks if lucky then pence, VC few bets then account will be locked .
Paddy scum 3-4 days then email be sent and max bet of £5..
Days of a bookmaker taking real bets gone, now casinos and arcades
..
Lads will last longest few weeks until max bet £5 tops, WH ok 4 a month then pointless unless u want to bet in coins..
Sly dont even bother, coral week max, then max bet 50p, BetUnfair waste of time send ID then after a few bets it be pence..
Fred few weeks if lucky then pence, VC few bets then account will be locked .
Paddy scum 3-4 days then email be sent and max bet of £5..
Days of a bookmaker taking real bets gone, now casinos and arcades
..
instead of moaning why dont you all move to vegas and have it right off in the sportbooks
you are all obviously so unbelievably good that bookies are scared to lay you to lose a ton, so you must have the money to go where you can on freely
being that good that the big bookies fear you, you will translate to the american sports effortlessly
or another crazy idea, bet on here, just a thought
dont give me it you cant win betting 5 mins before because my record shows you can, and I doubt most of you are at a level where you need major liquidity anyway
thinly veiled im a shrewdie posts from all angles and no evidence to back it up
you are all obviously so unbelievably good that bookies are scared to lay you to lose a ton, so you must have the money to go where you can on freely
being that good that the big bookies fear you, you will translate to the american sports effortlessly
or another crazy idea, bet on here, just a thought
dont give me it you cant win betting 5 mins before because my record shows you can, and I doubt most of you are at a level where you need major liquidity anyway
thinly veiled im a shrewdie posts from all angles and no evidence to back it up
youre talking with zero knowledge whatsoever. if you ever have any winning bets, you presumably have never had any at all, you get limited to 50p stakes. i have accounts with ppower and betfred, the most i can place on either is about £2. even at odds such as 1/10, i wouldnt be able to bet even £10. obviously i never use neither account anymore. b365 actually limit me to £0.00 on everything.
even shops are impossible. i went into a hills to place some baseball bets as i was away from the internet. i had 2 £200 singles at odds of around evens each. both lost. the next day i went in the exact same shop, to put some more baseball bets on, the cashier got told on the phone that they can no longer accept any baseball bets from me! 2 bets, 2 losers, and i can no longer bet on the sport!
If you are a winner retire now...
Feck me I have had more accounts closed down than Barclays Bank..
The alleged "Bookmakers" collude with each other and if you can prove that they can be closed down..
If you are starting up...
Get a Chromebook and bet as a guest and then you will not be traced...
Feck me I have had more accounts closed down than Barclays Bank..
The alleged "Bookmakers" collude with each other and if you can prove that they can be closed down..
If you are starting up...
Get a Chromebook and bet as a guest and then you will not be traced...
Get Big Mart to place ya bets for you...never loses and never gets restricted
cheapest way is a new mobile with internet connection sad that the bookies of today are not interested in the punter who sticks to his own favoured sport but if your on the poker the casino the virtuals the dogs the sports and the horses they will never close your account
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