Trying a 33-1 shot today

All the best crosser.

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Cork Langer

Felt given the posts that I have read for and against said forumite, that it would be worthwhile doing a bit of research into his selections to see what the actual position is, I wish to point out that I have no affiliation with crooser, just an interest as an outside observer.

So what I did was revisit his threads from January 1st this year (2015) to 30th June (2015) to see what the p/l position was based on the advised price, the BSP and the returned Industry SP, the results are as follows
                           
Advised Price Win      83.50
Advised Price Place    25.48
BSP Win                  147.64
BSP Place                  28.45
Industry SP Win        62.38
Industry SP Place       (0.27)

All the above calculated using 1 point stake win, 1 point stake place.

A few facts as they will no doubt be asked

Total selections - 111
Non runners - 7
Winners - 11
Places - 30
Selections since last winner - 26

So make of it what you want but given the above facts, it would be nice if those who have been quick to criticise were man enough to step forward and apologise for their misguided slatings, they all know who they are, I won't of course hold my breath, as I very much enjoy living...!

good luck today, keep an eye out for the storms as i can see a few going changes later in the day.

Think they're well north of Sandown now though.

Adult site king.

Shouldn't this be in the Darts forum...

Only joking

no hope

It's defo not gonna win.

Thanks for the heads up Moneytree

No chance from 12 draw finished well for 6th ish

Crosser how much do you put on these? How much is left in your bank after 27 on the bounce now beat

Bond, do you understand 27 losers on the bounce is normal when you bet
double figure prices yet he is still well ahead?

Bonds clueless.

Bond, do you understand 27 losers on the bounce is normal when you bet
double figure prices

Nonsense - if its then change the way you bet!

puddled

Why is that nonsense spyker? Can you explain the mathematics behind your post please?

27 is nothing, i went +75 in a day a few week ago

He doesn't bet level stakes so bank could of been bust many times over the 27 losers

you numb skull

Just what i thought jamesdean . . .Can make no sense of that post whatsoever

That doesn't surprise me

Bondy how the foo do you know how he bets???

Has he ever said or are you posting to suit your case numb skull

27 losers

followers broke imo

confidence shot

he doesn't bet level stakes said himself before

stakes on the level of confidence if it's a tip

numb skull

Ok Bond, they casino's must be thick as feck betting 0 on their roulette tables, they must be skint if they have 27 losers on the bounce huh? Or do they bet level stakes only too...muppet

WAFDC ^^

Well thats fair enough then bondy . . .Ever thought he may have had more on the winners?????????

For cork langers p and l on him tho it must be settled at level stakes.

skullsnumb

Bondy obviously doesn't have a clue. 8 years on here and still doesn't understand value.

Mathematics no but quite simply if you regularly go that long in between wins then you aren't doing as well as you should be - you may still be 'up' but that's not the point. Maybe you can (mathematically) explain just how long a run is before it gets (regularly) bad please?
I've said before there are a number of factors that you need to look at when backing long odds - their likelihood to shorten, either pre race or ir, and reasons for the price being big in the first place. Some of Crosser's tips shorten but many don't and some drift so much they must be 'off'. I don't want to get in a 'He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy' discussion as only 'crosser' knows how well he does - I'd be surprised if he only bets these horses he and his mates tip though!

I would be surprised if bond could tie his shoelaces unaided

spyker 04 Jul 15 14:51 Joined: 09 Oct 07 | Topic/replies: 5,028 | Blogger: spyker's blog
Mathematics no but quite simply if you regularly go that long in between wins then you aren't doing as well as you should be - you may still be 'up' but that's not the point

That is the only point spyker!   Betting the prices crooser bets, losing runs of 20/30 are quite normal. He only needs 4 or 5 winners if that every 100 bets to be ahead. Doesn't matter if they come in the first 4 bets or after a losing run of 80, as long as they come and he's ahead longterm.

So how big a bank do you need to deal with this bad run then James

Another 20 losers and they funds are gone etc

You need a massive bank to fund losing runs, who knows when the next will will come

He also doesn't only tip 30/1 shots

There has been plenty of 5/1 - 10/1 tips

Use your brain numb skull

You forgetting the 33/1 winners and the 90+ winner he's had?

For the way he bets, you maybe need to be betting .5 each time depending on the price of each bet. You don't need a massive bank, you just need to use it wisely and bet to a structure with what you've got.

I can try and explain it to you all day Bond but you'll never listen (or be a winner) as you clearly know best.

JD - i bet these type of prices regularly and trust me 27 losers on the bounce should not be a regular occurrence. At least if you do then more than half (many more than half really) should be much shorter s.p than when you back them and I'm to be convinced that is the case with Crosser. It's just silly to say  a 50's shot will pop up eventually so that's all right - there were decent reasons for backing Glass Office (I did) and the price was silly. I was put off a bit as there was no money for it at all - these things don't happen that often and I should have had more than the £20 i had on it but thar you go.
Fair enough, follow him if you wish - though he should ignore his mates as since they started, ahem, 'advising' him he doesn't seem to be doing very well! I find it more fun to find them myself and do ok at it (not a good day today though!) He isn't the messiah  - he's a.............

I don't see a problem with 27 losers in a row at these prices. It probably seems worse than it really is because Crooser might only post two bets some weeks, therefore it seems like his bad run goes on forever.

Spyker, if you're betting these prices then you are bound to have had longer losing runs. Could you be deluding yourself? Or do you keep records?

I don't follow him spyker. I'm just trying to explain value to Bond but I'd be as well giving up on that one.

It's not silly to say a 50/1 shot will just pop up, if he's betting value every time then they will pop up and he will end up in front.
If you are betting the same prices as him and don't get runs of 27 losers then genuine hats off to you. Most people that bet 16's and above will have had runs on 30-40 losers on the bounce, probably more. Hugh Taylor iirc was on a run of 60+ last year yet still finishes ahead. It happens to the best of them.

someone should of mentioned that BEACON is a slow coach, well known speed expert told me that last year. goodluck crooser your long overdue a turn in fortunes.

Of course i have long losing runs but not of horses i think worthy of tipping on here - which is rare these days and usually I only put horses up that I'm pretty certain will shorten and are worth looking at with the future in mind. Crosser started well then these 'pals' stated to appear in his text and he's not done so well, allied to the fact that (as mentioned above) a fair number drift and obv aren't being 'backed by the owner' etc leads me to my view. Enough have run so badly that nobody that has been anywhere near that horse could tip it (unless as a lay) and i remember those as well as the odd winner.
If it was his opinion and they ran so badly then fair do's but he claims to have mates in stables all over the place. You can come to whatever conclusions you want to - the same info is there for you all! I'll leave you to it as I've said all i need to and I'm sure the saga will continue and I'm sure Crosser will tip a big price winner sometime soon and the ball can keep rolling............

I detect a tad of jealousy...

Another two losers to add yesterday

bank must be looking very thin now Crosser?

one was 14/1

sir bond, give it a rest until the stats go negative, you are repetitive and becoming very boring. All your assumptions are purely conjecture on your part, we none of us know what way crooser plays and personally not interested how anyone plays their own money, to level stake which is the only way we can measure his success or failure, he is still well in profit and his own position is no one else's business, especially yours, given your less than honest past on here.

^^ WELL SAYED

SIR_Bond 09 Oct 12 11:24 
I have moved up the ladder and now betting in £1,000's....

It feels good to be part of the elite... biggest best yesterday was 10k...

I look and laugh at you £2 mugs. Have a nice day.

roida 22 May 15 14:58 
SIR_Bond 09 Oct 12 14:39
you mugs enjoy your horse racing im making my living from tennis thanks.

Cricket: £4.53 | Horse Racing: £109.53 | Snooker: -£591.24 | Soccer: -£232.58 | Tennis: £5112.55 Total P&L:  £5822.31

simple simon

Sunfing dont add up

shud actually say £4402.79

simple simon a cereal sill leek unt..

an ℯℯjit

Edits his p/l and cant even get the figures right