from 'out of nowhere' - another Mark Johnston turn-up

Come on you know the trigger for the !untouchables! stable  /  runners is 100  lengths and nothing under

And you knew what to expect from his next (form) runner

I find War and Peace quicker to read and summarise than a Johnston runner

"Allways trying "  my @rse

Always trying
Except when they don't

Obviously not its running in a better race last time, it didn't need to have got beaten 97 lengths just to get a reduction. Got beat 3 lengths off of 102 in a 12k h/cap two runs ago. Run off 95 today and was only 6/1.

I certainly wouldn't have laid it.

We are NOT talking about, "laying it."

- and we are well aware of what they have done in the past. - BUT ...

The 'pressing of the accelerator' is invariably the great unknown.

If Johnston knows how his yoyo strategy is working, he really ought to be called in by the BHA to explain it, because it just continually brings racing into disrepute if it is indeed intended.

If he doesn't how know it is working, I don't really understand how he has any owners as they have absolutely no idea when to expect a decent run.

It wouldn't be so galling if the horse went off 25-1 as it should have. Was definitely quite well backed.

Most of the critics on this thread seem to be missing the fact that she was dropping in class. Take that on board and her win is no longer inexplicable.

^ Can you kindly explain the, seemingly, 999 others, then, please.

Always trying = horses are not machines.He is an owners trainer doesnt let them stand in their stalls half the season.

Never gets any criticism from the media and even on here it appears the hindsight merchants are out in force. Worrying times.

He trains over 200 winners every season his horses are not run for the punters benefit but for the owners...prize money on the whole is his objective and that is why he uses multiple runners in events with good prize money.
If you cant figure it out then leave it severely alone and stop moaning.

You are missing the point.

I/we are NOT looking to back any of them  - as -
You couldn't, sensibly, back any of his with counterfeit money - as they say.

But, whenever you back something ELSE in a race - and Johnston has one, or two, of his 'inexplicables' running in the race - you cannot quantify with any degree of rationale quite what his beasts may do - or not do - today.

As I stated in my opening post ...

He is a total torment to the game  -

- and that is the politest way that I can put it.

Onlooker
YOU are totally missing the point.....if you cannot figure out the Johnston runners then "LEAVE THE RACE ALONE" their are plenty of races to bet on in any season.
If you cannot find your way round that situation then give the game up for your peace of mind......and ours.

It is a free world but I would have thought this is primarily a punters forum so I do wonder about the actual identity of those who come on here and attempt to 'defend' racing 'insiders' (sometimes with quite an arrogant tone) when a punter is simply making what may seem to many to be a reasonable point. Onlooker isn't exactly alone in not being able to pick Johnston is he? Probably several thousands in that particular queue, in fact you would probably have to be an 'insider' to be able to pick him. That is unless you believe Johnston is just a high-end dart thrower in which case nobody has much chance.

the fact of the matter is when you can back one of his on bare form shown
nearly impossible to gauge what one of is going to do
as a punter thats what gets so many frustrated with this trainer
i am more of a layer of his shorter price ones
the horses at double figures are ones to have a good look at
have no time for this guy whatsoever

telepathic • June 11, 2015 7:57 PM BST
Onlooker
YOU are totally missing the point.....if you cannot figure out the Johnston runners then "LEAVE THE RACE ALONE" their are plenty of races to bet on in any season.
If you cannot find your way round that situation then give the game up for your peace of mind......and ours.

find this post ridiculous
you are entitled to have an opinion on a trainer who you think is not playing by the rules
as a punter your entitled to this......
shame the bha are absolutely clueless....lots of trainers laughing at them

Rewired
You are ridiculous, you have taken one post in isolation and rushed into print, and as a punter if you have not discovered by this time that as a punter you are entitled to NOTHING, then I suggest you take your Forum name seriously and get REWIRED.
I am a punter and experience has taught me "DONT MOAN" "TAKE ACTION".Complaining about the BHA just gives you a headache.

teleapathetic more apt.........

another mj short price unplaced
gotta love this guy......

I was actually disgusted Made In Rio won. Tailed off last 2 and goes n wins unchallenged.

Mark Johnston stable is **** takin the piss out of punters

A 2yr old beat a length and 2 necks........get a grip of yourself and find another hobby, this one will skin you and turn your already weak grasp of reality to mush.

River Thames 10s into 15/8 at 1 point, last

^ Finished Last.

River Thames, out of a winning (US 1m) sister to the Dubai World Cup winner Street Cry and to the dam of Shamardal, is from the yard that won this three times between 2008 and 2011 and he was very well backed earlier in the day. Always handy, he looked sure to figure when edging to the front over 2f from home, but lost the advantage a furlong later and dropped right out. He has a bit to prove now

So What, has this never happened to any other trainer......get a life,fixations are unhealthy.

telepatic -

YOU appear to have such a,"fixation," - in persistently defending the pretty much indefensible, on this thread.

His horses are on drugs...I don't give a fck what anyone says he is a dirty sheeting ****.
Betfair can give my name to him if they want, lets get the scum out of racing.

That seems a very considered opinion in the Forum tradition.There is absolutely no point in trying to reason with that rant.I hope when Johnstons lawyers knock his door he is wearing the requisite Brown trousers with cycle clips I would hate for him to sh*t all over his floor.

Rab67 I'd love him to be investigated.

Looks like the Goodwood carrots have been brought forward this year going by his Coventry runners.

Rab67 classic

A nasty horrible little creature who is quite probably abusing his horses imo...

yet another short price last at thirsk
this guys just too good at it......
the guys a disgrace to racing
is this guy a trained vet hard to believe

take a bow......
kerching........

Slickster is probably better at abusing himself rather than providing a rational argument.
rewired tu es

Telepathic likes to think he's above the likes of us, imo...

Millhouse
I can see you are a man of good judgement....but only on this occasion.

telepathetic
probably has a laminated picure of mj
talking of abuse-himself...........

why you defend this bufoon beyond me
think you just like an argument so go against the grain at whatever the topic........
or maybe you got a crush on mj.........

^ thing somebody rewired you the wrong way pal

^.....here we go another fruit......

big issue trolling for a rip up
say your piece about mj thats what the op is actually about

First runner in the blue went well today imo ,should have been 6/4 was 12 on here this morning

think some of this lot laid it

highly unlikely.....

Saddled the 1st, 4th and 5th in the 2nd race at Ascot the 1st and 2nd in a race at Thirsk followed by a 2nd bt a nose in the following race.This is the trainer you call a buffoon,look at the positive you mug.

Managed to get an easy Coventry Stakes winner beaten twice. How many Coventry Stakes runners let alone winners turn up with five runs on the board? Clearly it took him that long to realise what he had. Perhaps we can talk about his 100 successive losers? An incredible achievement by anyone's standards. This is the man who invariably likes to dish out but closed down his own forum because he couldn't take a little bit back. An arrogant, nasty character and it seems like his cheerleaders are cut from similar cloth.

Arrogant,nasty seems like your into self assessment.

And again he's at it this evening at Goodwood,
Notarised
Tailed off at York last time out,Miraculously back to form tonight.

i've said it way back ...if ' always trying ' then needs to sack someone ....

^ and when it was, "Tailed off," - last of 9 - at Newmarket - last time ...

Johnston WON the race with ANOTHER runner.

Today's race was, of course, a much weaker race and over a longer trip, both of which suggest he'd not have had to run quite so fast.

A 27 length turnaround - over the two races - nevertheless.

In my book a fully exposed animal (Notarised) had to improve 6 pounds to win this race - the placed horses were in form and less exposed and yet the Johnston horse was able to make the most improvement ....

There is not a stable in the land which is able to improve exposed types like this outfit - and, they do it season after season ....fair play to them!!!!!!

Mark Johnston - interviewed at Hamilton, this evening ...

"Assault On Rome will love the SOFT ground"

WHAT ? !
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Last 4 runs with SOFT in the description...

Carlisle - 8th of 9
Ripon - LAST of 7
Goodwood - 7th of 11
Doncaster - 15th of 17

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Not only are his Entries and 'Running Plans'(?), apparently, RANDOM -

- So are his statements and reasoning.

Does he ever study any Form?

With all those horses to attend to - and driving all over the country practically every day - he, surely, cannot find sufficient time.

Onlooker
You are a critic of everything with a knowledge of NOTHING.

Ah - here comes the habitual 'Defence'...

With an entirely UNSUBSTANTIATED statement.

The racing game suffers from the same problem as any other industry.Their are always large numbers of critics on the sidelines who are willing to tell the professionals how to do their job.This forum is populated by a large number of them who think a bet on a horse entitles them to decry,abuse and generally call into question any professionals honesty and integrity from behind a nom de plume,it is insome cases utterly disgraceful.
I gave up looking in on this forum for a long time....time I did it again.

Why return?

If you don't want to hear any criticism you have the entire racing media to choose from. Yes, they will occasionally suggest the odd 'nobody' could have done better but I suspect you can cope with that.

Different Drum you just do not seem to get it like your pal Onlooker.Criticism is only valid from people with knowledge not as a weapon to abuse.

telepathetic -

How dare you state that I do not have - (your perceived) "knowledge" -

When I have spent over 4 decades of having my head buried in the Form Book - for the greater part of each day, and every day, in that time.

I could tie you, Mark Johnston, and anybody else you wish to nominate, in knots when it comes to understanding FORM, the machinations of racing - and, most especially, Handicapping.

Be careful who YOU choose to criticise.

Well if knew anything about MJ you would know he aint driving around the country

Are we talking about the Trainer that has trained over hundred winners a year for about 20 years and 200 a year for about the last five years ? 

Must be doing something right ,seems that the ususal suspects hate him when they lose and despise him when they win .

is it cause he  Scottish ?

you have to find the good MJ horses that are worth following, notarised winning after a bad run, was totally different race at newmarket, much more competitive, and maybe that last win took too much out of the horse, so that bad run can be explained by the horse having a tough race that day.
the winner at newmarket that day was on a totally different trajectory to success.

His horses are just running, a lot, under different circumstances, with niggles and ailments that perhaps other yards would deem enough to not run them.....honestly think he has a scattergun approach with varied results. FWIW I tend to think his horses fly when the ground is fast and run badly when it eases...but that is obviously very simplistic....he is without doubt the hardest yard in the country to predict

You can't fault him he's playing the game and doing a very good job of it.sirmark Prescott has done it for years.Johnston must have some nerve look at assault on Rome for example wins easily at 13/2 and then gets turned over at much shorter prices I could understand if the stable had suddenly found out it had a virus in house but the running of the horse after its win is a joke and undefendable,lanigans the same

Onlooker
Just a last observation,your head has been buried up your rectum and you cant see or think logically for your ego

Quite a few people seemed to see this coming on this thread... piece of cake this game

telepathetic -

At least when I post - it is ALWAYS backed up by fully-researched FACTS.

Your posts, however - appear to be little more than 'off the top of your head' quips - or - as with your latest offering - simply sarcastic lavatorial drivel.

so notarized wins again, thats MJ's forte winning the big prize money handicaps.

been talking about him on other forum 5 out yest 4 winner and oh surprise his odds on shot get turned over again mmm  his horses envariably run well in hot weather , i think its cos he is a trained vet and know  how to look after them in the searing conditions , he has a method  go to the well a few times ease of gas when he gets winners they normally come in 3s or 4s in same day when they work out full belt again

1010101010101010010101010101010 are his favourite figures beside his horses name

chet i used to sit in a bookie loo every sat the independent new him i used to listen on the phone he said that horse is trying thats not truth m8