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seemed a really decent chap the way he came across on tv, maybe others know diffrent but i should imagine he was a good boss to
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A proud Aberdonian..sadly missed.
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one of my fav trainers from when i was a youngun..
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A genius and still sadly missed
Seemed to be a man with a lot of class and quite a humble man also will be a fascinating docu |
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seemed a really decent chap the way he came across on tv,
I was lucky enough to meet the man when my daughter lived in the bungalow on Warren Place, he was struggling with cancer then, but still had "it" when he spoke you listened. One of the greatest days of my life when he took both me and my son in law for a walk round both his garden and evening stables, he talked to each and every horse as we went by it was spellbinding to be honest. Truely wonderful man sadly missed  |
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lets hope the doc does him justice...they usually do these days...should be an excellent watch
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Presumably they will avoid references to such as the TWO drink driving convictions he received?
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Probably the only British trainer with a toff accent who wasn't/isn't a cheat. Legend.
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i do think he had his faults the 2 drink driving is evidence of that but he did come across as a decent chap........i only know of one person i know who met him.........a school teacher who goes to our b\shop.........he went to warren place and said cecil was a lovely chap.........really down to earth
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he was once asked if he was working class and his reply was i have to go to work every day so i am working class and i had the pleasure of going to warren place in the cauthen days
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Drink-driving is hardly relevant to his career as a trainer but his role in Lester's tax evasion might be a legitimate point of enquiry.
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Just recorded it....will hopefully do the man and horse justice
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A "decent man" does not endeavour to suggest someone else was driving when he was in fact bang to rights.
Fine trainer of course; his ability in that regard should not obscure his willingness to take chances with other peoples lives and then seek to blame someone else. |
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we all make mistakes..not cool to be so judgemental, dude
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DD once is possibly a mistake. Twice isn't.
Know anyone who's been killed by one of these morons? "Dude". |
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Have you never made any mistakes parispike ?
I think the many 1000s of folk who met and worked for the man and none having a bad word is better testimony to who he was |
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Plenty hello.
None involved criminal activity however. |
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ha, ha, knew you'd hate me calling you 'dude'
 tbh i am very ANTI-drink driving and would never condone the action but i am not and have never been the Country's leading trainer and dont know how i would act if i made a mistake which was going to get blown up all over the Sunday papers most people make more than one 'mistake' in their lifetime but you are clearly one of the righteous ones, for which you can consider yourself fortunate |
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Fair enough parispike I take you at your word and allow you to judge
I prefer to remember the genius and the humility of the man , flawed yes but a truly great man who touched many lives in one way or another |
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I think one of Henry's biggest mistakes was paying £800 for a night with a prostitute, nearly 20 years ago.
£800 ? I could have taken him down Newcastle's Bigg Market, and saved him £800 !  |
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I spoke with Henry a few times at warren place and he would often ask your opinion about one of his horses and listen to what you had to say.A man that loved his horses and new how to nurture the very best out of them.
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Good salesman tactic. Listen to what the money man says. He might buy a horse. Big odds most of the time but you might hit the jackpot.
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think he knocked a couple of pensioners down the 2nd time
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think he left the road and hit them.........think he was 3 times the limit.......but i think he made a sarcastic remark after the case
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i can understand why would get upset........i know a drunk driver hit a 15 year old girl in the next village to me about 10 years ago........i seen the girl about a month ago in tesco........in a wheelchair and doesnt know what day of the week it is
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why people would get upset*
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Just mentioned on Talksport that Queally refused to be in this documentary.
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Perhaps they said they were going to explore sleep-driving.
To be fair to HRAC, he makes little secret of his drink issues in his 1983 autobiography, but I think that was prior to his drink-driving convictions. |
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ttt
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frankels stride was a lot bigger than average horse
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I don't think Queally has anyhting relevant to contribute. he was just a passenger after all.
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wish we new that first time run
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wish we new that first time run
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You are right Freddie,regarding Frankle's stride.
I compared cadences of various horses with Frankle's and was surprised to find that there was very little difference. He and most others run at a rate of about 58 strides per furlong. So being as good as he was leads to the conclusion that his strides were longer! |
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a foot and a half????is that a lot
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I enjoyed the programme.
There are parts the broadcasters skipped, such as the dreadful own-goal handling Sheikh Mohammed, Cecil's colllusion in Piggott's larceny, Henry's alcoholism and, lets face it, his first wife lost her family seat to him when they divorced. He had advantages which he regarded as his birthright. But I'll always love him for talking to anyone at the races, for being a friend to the punter in that his runners followed a path you could predict, for being the most glamorous figure in the heyday of racing and, most of all, for giving a perspective to anyone who gambles: HRAC rose higher and sunk lower than most people but he said "I do't think God minds whether we win or lose." |
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Sorry Freddie.I've had a couple of glasses!
But then maybe you have too! I just looked up my research. It was 58 strides per 2 furlongs. 1320 feet div. by 58 = 22.75 feet per stride. That's more like it! |