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seemed a really decent chap the way he came across on tv, maybe others know diffrent but i should imagine he was a good boss to
work for.
work for.
A genius and still sadly missed
Seemed to be a man with a lot of class and quite a humble man also
will be a fascinating docu
Seemed to be a man with a lot of class and quite a humble man also
will be a fascinating docu
seemed a really decent chap the way he came across on tv,
I was lucky enough to meet the man when my daughter lived in the bungalow on Warren Place, he was struggling with cancer then, but still had "it" when he spoke you listened.
One of the greatest days of my life when he took both me and my son in law for a walk round both his garden and evening stables, he talked to each and every horse as we went by it was spellbinding to be honest.
Truely wonderful man sadly missed
I was lucky enough to meet the man when my daughter lived in the bungalow on Warren Place, he was struggling with cancer then, but still had "it" when he spoke you listened.
One of the greatest days of my life when he took both me and my son in law for a walk round both his garden and evening stables, he talked to each and every horse as we went by it was spellbinding to be honest.
Truely wonderful man sadly missed
lets hope the doc does him justice...they usually do these days...should be an excellent watch
Presumably they will avoid references to such as the TWO drink driving convictions he received?
Probably the only British trainer with a toff accent who wasn't/isn't a cheat. Legend.
i do think he had his faults the 2 drink driving is evidence of that but he did come across as a decent chap........i only know of one person i know who met him.........a school teacher who goes to our b\shop.........he went to warren place and said cecil was a lovely chap.........really down to earth
he was once asked if he was working class and his reply was i have to go to work every day so i am working class and i had the pleasure of going to warren place in the cauthen days
Drink-driving is hardly relevant to his career as a trainer but his role in Lester's tax evasion might be a legitimate point of enquiry.
Just recorded it....will hopefully do the man and horse justice
A "decent man" does not endeavour to suggest someone else was driving when he was in fact bang to rights.
Fine trainer of course; his ability in that regard should not obscure his willingness to take chances with other peoples lives and then seek to blame someone else.
Fine trainer of course; his ability in that regard should not obscure his willingness to take chances with other peoples lives and then seek to blame someone else.
we all make mistakes..not cool to be so judgemental, dude
DD once is possibly a mistake. Twice isn't.
Know anyone who's been killed by one of these morons?
"Dude".
Know anyone who's been killed by one of these morons?
"Dude".
Have you never made any mistakes parispike ?
I think the many 1000s of folk who met and worked for the man and none having a bad word is better testimony to who he was
I think the many 1000s of folk who met and worked for the man and none having a bad word is better testimony to who he was
ha, ha, knew you'd hate me calling you 'dude' 
tbh i am very ANTI-drink driving and would never condone the action but i am not and have never been the Country's leading trainer and dont know how i would act if i made a mistake which was going to get blown up all over the Sunday papers
most people make more than one 'mistake' in their lifetime but you are clearly one of the righteous ones, for which you can consider yourself fortunate
tbh i am very ANTI-drink driving and would never condone the action but i am not and have never been the Country's leading trainer and dont know how i would act if i made a mistake which was going to get blown up all over the Sunday papers
most people make more than one 'mistake' in their lifetime but you are clearly one of the righteous ones, for which you can consider yourself fortunate
Fair enough parispike I take you at your word and allow you to judge
I prefer to remember the genius and the humility of the man , flawed yes but a truly great man who touched many lives in one way or another
I prefer to remember the genius and the humility of the man , flawed yes but a truly great man who touched many lives in one way or another
I think one of Henry's biggest mistakes was paying £800 for a night with a prostitute, nearly 20 years ago.
£800 ? I could have taken him down Newcastle's Bigg Market, and saved him £800 !
£800 ? I could have taken him down Newcastle's Bigg Market, and saved him £800 !
I spoke with Henry a few times at warren place and he would often ask your opinion about one of his horses and listen to what you had to say.A man that loved his horses and new how to nurture the very best out of them.
Good salesman tactic. Listen to what the money man says. He might buy a horse. Big odds most of the time but you might hit the jackpot.
think he knocked a couple of pensioners down the 2nd time
think he left the road and hit them.........think he was 3 times the limit.......but i think he made a sarcastic remark after the case
i can understand why would get upset........i know a drunk driver hit a 15 year old girl in the next village to me about 10 years ago........i seen the girl about a month ago in tesco........in a wheelchair and doesnt know what day of the week it is
Just mentioned on Talksport that Queally refused to be in this documentary.
Perhaps they said they were going to explore sleep-driving.
To be fair to HRAC, he makes little secret of his drink issues in his 1983 autobiography, but I think that was prior to his drink-driving convictions.
To be fair to HRAC, he makes little secret of his drink issues in his 1983 autobiography, but I think that was prior to his drink-driving convictions.
frankels stride was a lot bigger than average horse
I don't think Queally has anyhting relevant to contribute. he was just a passenger after all.
You are right Freddie,regarding Frankle's stride.
I compared cadences of various horses with Frankle's and was surprised to find that there was very little difference.
He and most others run at a rate of about 58 strides per furlong. So being as good as he was leads to the conclusion
that his strides were longer!
I compared cadences of various horses with Frankle's and was surprised to find that there was very little difference.
He and most others run at a rate of about 58 strides per furlong. So being as good as he was leads to the conclusion
that his strides were longer!
I enjoyed the programme.
There are parts the broadcasters skipped, such as the dreadful own-goal handling Sheikh Mohammed, Cecil's colllusion in Piggott's larceny, Henry's alcoholism and, lets face it, his first wife lost her family seat to him when they divorced. He had advantages which he regarded as his birthright.
But I'll always love him for talking to anyone at the races, for being a friend to the punter in that his runners
followed a path you could predict, for being the most glamorous figure in the heyday of racing and, most of all, for giving a perspective to anyone who gambles: HRAC rose higher and sunk lower than most people but he said
"I do't think God minds whether we win or lose."
There are parts the broadcasters skipped, such as the dreadful own-goal handling Sheikh Mohammed, Cecil's colllusion in Piggott's larceny, Henry's alcoholism and, lets face it, his first wife lost her family seat to him when they divorced. He had advantages which he regarded as his birthright.
But I'll always love him for talking to anyone at the races, for being a friend to the punter in that his runners
followed a path you could predict, for being the most glamorous figure in the heyday of racing and, most of all, for giving a perspective to anyone who gambles: HRAC rose higher and sunk lower than most people but he said
"I do't think God minds whether we win or lose."
Sorry Freddie.I've had a couple of glasses!
But then maybe you have too!
I just looked up my research. It was 58 strides per 2 furlongs. 1320 feet div. by 58 = 22.75 feet per stride.
That's more like it!
But then maybe you have too!
I just looked up my research. It was 58 strides per 2 furlongs. 1320 feet div. by 58 = 22.75 feet per stride.
That's more like it!
they say its physically impossible to run flat out for a mile.......so they were going to hold up and use pacemaker......then its drawn furthest away....so back to front running
I heard somewhere,Freddie,that Frankle was a bit of a freak in that he had an extra rib,therefore greater lung capacity.
I missed part of the programme. Did they mention who Frankel was named after?
dont think so....u can see it again on those catch up tv channel....type into google.....god bless the commander in chief
You know a programme is good when my wife doesn't speak for an hour.
Stupendous horse, lovely man.
Stupendous horse, lovely man.
Just read that Eclipse reportedly covered 25 feet per stride!
It doesn't really matter.
A selling plater may take the same size stride as a champion, but he will not do it as fast when it matters.
A selling plater may take the same size stride as a champion, but he will not do it as fast when it matters.
We all have imperfections and are flawed as human beings. Henry was a great trainer and Frankel was a great racehorse. That's what the documentary was about. Didn't need to dwell on past discretions.
It does matter,spelling. All horses run at about the same cadence (strides per minute),throughout the race.
As they tire their strides shorten but the cadence stays the same.
Horses exhale as they bring their legs together and inhale as the stretch out,much like a bellows on every stride.
So when they get short of breath they shorten their stride to maintain the same oxygen intake.
If they changed their cadence they would reduce the oxygen intake.
As they tire their strides shorten but the cadence stays the same.
Horses exhale as they bring their legs together and inhale as the stretch out,much like a bellows on every stride.
So when they get short of breath they shorten their stride to maintain the same oxygen intake.
If they changed their cadence they would reduce the oxygen intake.
roggrain
I'm not an expert, that was my belief.
But your first line the same cadence (strides per minute) and your second line (their strides shorten but the cadence stays the same) are contradictory.
I'm not an expert, that was my belief.
But your first line the same cadence (strides per minute) and your second line (their strides shorten but the cadence stays the same) are contradictory.
How are they cotradictory? Think about it.
They are running with shorter steps but the same number of steps per minute.
They are running with shorter steps but the same number of steps per minute.
".......his role in Lester's tax evasion...."
Inadvertently yes, but in the end if I remember the facts right, Lester had every chance to come clean and fully declare all his earnings, then the tax people and Lester agreed whatever amount he owed......all he had to do was pay it and that would have been it. But when he sent them the cheque - it was on a bank account which he hadn't declared, and it was found he was still trying to cover up a few million. A stupid mistake because then the tax people really had no option but to take him to court.
Still don't think he should have gone to prison, a massive fine would have hurt him enough. They didn't put Ken Dodd in prison ! Same offence. But Ken Dodd acted in court........
Inadvertently yes, but in the end if I remember the facts right, Lester had every chance to come clean and fully declare all his earnings, then the tax people and Lester agreed whatever amount he owed......all he had to do was pay it and that would have been it. But when he sent them the cheque - it was on a bank account which he hadn't declared, and it was found he was still trying to cover up a few million. A stupid mistake because then the tax people really had no option but to take him to court.
Still don't think he should have gone to prison, a massive fine would have hurt him enough. They didn't put Ken Dodd in prison ! Same offence. But Ken Dodd acted in court........
What I remember are some owners querying a letter sent to them by their trainer outlining discreet six-figure sweeteners to be paid to the stable jockey for success and the trainer advising the owners to assent.
unitedbiscuits ^ It wasn't exactly a good idea when Cecil added a PS to that letter which did raise an eyebrow, "perhaps it would be better to destroy it as soon as you have read it."
One owner didn't and he kept it on file......then later on trainer and owner were not even on speaking terms over another matter, then he got that letter out and hawked it around the tabloids. The ironic thing was he was trying to get at Cecil........but the way it all developed it was Piggott who came off the worst.
One owner didn't and he kept it on file......then later on trainer and owner were not even on speaking terms over another matter, then he got that letter out and hawked it around the tabloids. The ironic thing was he was trying to get at Cecil........but the way it all developed it was Piggott who came off the worst.
Thanks for the reminder, hound dog, that is how it went down..and for all Cecil was a rare talent, he'll be forgotten a century before Piggott.
Just watched it thought it was very good
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