Derby winner just seen...

is it entered? supplement coming i think

50s into 10s

varies 8/1 to 16/1

I'd be worried about him coming down the hill and the camber up the straight as well as the likely faster ground....changed his legs a few times in the home straight today.

entered in Derby and Dante

Jonny knew what he had last year!

Gosden a genius. (nb)

you in ballydoyle or summit?

Very impressive today, the horse it beat at Wolves on debut got beat today at Doncaster.

Will go off about 3/1 imo.

will go off 3/1 for the ascot derby maybe

Time will tell. (treble)

arc horse for me, with that breeding is going to be some 4yo

to win a handicap off 85 like that you have to be 110-114, he only has another stone to find to win the Derby and Arc

just think gosden will take him king edward route then the voltiguer followed by arc by timing might be slightly wrong, not a total expert but i think mentally epsom won't be gd for him

duffy
24 Apr 15 16:54

I'd be worried about him coming down the hill and the camber up the straight as well as the likely faster ground....changed his legs a few times in the home straight today.



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"I think his greenness will catch up with him today" John Gosden

Dam might have been by Swain but was a 6/6.5f winner. So, trip?

"I think his greenness will catch up with him today" John Gosden

Was going to have a massive bet on Jack Hobbs but after listening to Gosden interview Laid it, cost me about a grand today.

sounds v amateurish approach

di........sounds mad

wins class 3 handicap and is 16s for Derby ante post is dead

20s for the triumph

Never seen gosden so bullish about a horse post race.......a very very serious machine I would say

I am no flat expert but it just didnt seem totally straightforward .. and it seemed physically big .. sure once it got going it ploughed on but it will be caught for speed in the derby .. i want be backing it in the derby but as another poster said the arc or even the triumph . i dont think its that inteligent.

Apr 24, 2015 -- 10:59PM, minardi wrote:

I am no flat expert but it just didnt seem totally straightforward .. and it seemed physically big .. sure once it got going it ploughed on but it will be caught for speed in the derby .. i want be backing it in the derby but as another poster said the arc or even the triumph . i dont think its that inteligent.

that was my point..just think gosden will take him king edward route then the voltiguer followed by arc by timing might be slightly wrong, not a total expert but i think mentally epsom won't be gd for him. arc horse with that breeding will be better later in the season and even better as a 4yo

I had some 66/1 for Epsom thanks to a recommendation by the giggilo elsewhere.

what can beat it on that performance?...looks a superstar...dante, then derby - pre booked - The Houston Texans man knows his onions...will bolt up imo

wins class 3 handicap and is 16s for Derby Crazy ante post is dead

you missed out wins class 3 hcap 'by a f00kin street'

and beat what, see plenty of nags bolting up on a daily basis. Whether he won by a length or 20 lengths, all he is is a class 3 handicapper so far....16s for the Derby is mental imho

and very easily


some huge prices ap layed...Gosden will know where he is over next week or so but looks stand out to me...wish i had some of that 200+

I thought April Fools day was at the beginning of the month.

duffy 24 Apr 15 16:54 

I'd be worried about him coming down the hill and the camber up the straight as well as the likely fast
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You can - or, rather, would HAVE to say THAT - about EVERY horse that is going to run in the Derby.

all he is is a class 3 handicapper so far   


good luck with that approach

onlooker    25 Apr 15 02:32 
duffy 24 Apr 15 16:54 

I'd be worried about him coming down the hill and the camber up the straight as well as the likely fast
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You can - or, rather, would HAVE to say THAT - about EVERY horse that is going to run in the Derby.
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Agree, a shame every race there is a lottery, dump of a track.

Jimbo talking this beast up for the Derby. Always a positive sign imo.

Seen nothing to trouble the FAV.....so far.

Still nowt on the radar to cause me concern..

JFK will win the Derby,hth.

Good luck with that project.

Have we?

That race revealed nothing

cradle mountain was well supported near the off.  might just have been shrewdies taking value.

This thread is about Jack Hobbs. HTH

Showtime for this beast today. I'm well aware that it only won a 3 rated handicap , but the manner it won by looked very good in my eye. It was like Usain Bolt/and a 1mile 4 furlongs beast like Frankel imo. Gosden thinks a lot of this horse and although this is a far bigger nut to crack, if it wins, although I'm no trader I will be greening up having backed it at fancy prices ante-post.

GL with your own selections and I may add I won't be backing it today in the hope it wins and green up at a predicted 3/1 if it does oblige.

Dunno Dunno Dunno but I just cashed-out on my score at 5/2 Jack Hobbs in the Dante and put it on ol'Man River instead. Clutching at straws in a fascinating race

Anybody think that if both of Gosden's beasts run in the Derby that Jack Hobbs could overturn the form against the FAV over an extra two furlongs? Never say never, but I would think it unlikely. One thing for sure, JH is no handicapper...

Does anybody have any news about The Queens horse Peacock,
It was a Strong Staying on 2nd at Newmarket 9F to Golden Horn,
This - Peacock has plenty of Stamina in his Dam`s side,

http://www.pedigreequery.com/peacock6

JH was very babyish still for me. If he is set straight he's a massive player. I still think Zawraq is the each way steal, I've loaded up at 12/1 and 10/1, fancy it strongly.

I think it's far from inconceivable that Jack Hobbs could reverse form over 12f at Epsom. He'd have to handle the track well and have all of that greenness out of his system though. The question is, will Gosden let him take his chance, or will he take the easier option and go to Ascot?

Angela rebeccchi is right , ive been doing it myself i think it will be a lot lower on the day aswell , you can tell weld is excited by this one

I feel sure of a good run in what is so far a very open race

Zawraq - Might Stay/Should stay,
The 2nd-3rd-4th Behind him last time out in the Guineas Trial,(Heavy 15 Seconds outside Standard time)
All got Beaten next time out.

The question is, will Gosden let him take his chance, or will he take the easier option and go to Ascot?



I'm guessing Gosden will play both his cards here. The FAV was originally going for the French Derby whis is less than 1 mile four furlongs which makes me think he will run Jack Hobbs as 'insurance' in case the FAV doesn't stay.

It's all a guessing game at the moment but one thing I can say for sure is that this is not the srongest Derby ever seen.

ttt for myself.


Anybody got any fresh opinions?

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Showtime for this beast today. Hopeful more than confident and was going to back it to place at 11/10 for a place to get my ante-post stakes back but have decided to leave it in the lap of the gods and let whatever will be, will be.

Was a good shout anyway, good luck

stew ..............I had £5 E.W. 25/1 on your post.......G.L.M8

I think it stays..............It aint a stiff track or sft ground

stew     XX

Crossbar in what was a weak Derby imho. Be interesting to see what the time was.

stewarty b   






  24 Apr 15 16:57 
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Gosden a genius. (nb)


Got that wee bit right, however, like R.L.Moore, seldom does me any favours when it comes to putting my hard earned on.

Good Early (April) call - stewarty b

Thanks for the kind words onlooker. The horse owes me nothing as I backed it second time out when I noticed Gosden had entered it for the Derby after winning a small Wolverhampton maiden.

No idea the plans for the beast but imo it's highly unlikely the two will be in the same race again.

Could the thread title be right come Saturday? Might stick a few bob on given the opposition. Any thoughts?

Trolled the city centre today getting a few bob on JH at 10/11. No certainty but with no Golden Horn in the race it must have a decent chance. I'm not a lover of the French Derby form so I also stuck a couple of bob on the C.S.F. with Storm The Stars to be second, and the other way around. (just in case)


If this beast can't beat this lot I will be disappointed, as will Godolphin..

If you're looking in AM, I've sent you a PM.

Sweet. Especially getting the forecast stotting up also.

C.S.F. paid £13.15p. Excata paid £10.60p. Had I had my forecast on the Exacta it would have paid less.


The moral of the story? Don't get involved with the t0te. 30% of your hard earned is swallowed up by the baldy one.


Better chance of winning playing roulette in a casino. They only take 2.7% of your hard earned..