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Fallon on Bwindi - Did they get the lot
Fallon on Bwindi - Did they get the lot
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It would appear so
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So like I said TRD.Racing, a meaningless and totally worthless generic comment it is then.
I won't bother asking you to explain away Fallon's whip ban either as that would obviously mean addressing something specific with a logical response rather than the same old same old once again. |
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Each to his own,Virgin
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I wouldn't have a bet at Southwell with funny money. I don't like AW racing full stop and Southwell is as low as it gets
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That was tongue in cheek Ima
for once I agree with you! I really think people are getting very excited about nothing, yes the odds on favourite got beat but was at anytime travelling or looking like an odds on shot?? Don't think so and I think Fallons reputation is the reason for the hysteria and what more could he do? It's a game of opinions and it's not black and white. |
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Ima for **** sake give it up. As the horses are turning in if you think that's scrubbing the ears off then you just haven't a clue or are doing your usual politics for Fallon. Your posts are condescending and you can't be taken seriously due to your see no evil when it comes to your favourite jockey. Ps, still waiting for you to produce all those threads you said you criticized Fallon.
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I took it that way too slowerthanjohn, hence mine not being and ending the question with an
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??????????? just don`t reply when he joins in............... I swear it`s good fun.
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It's either a case of you haven't watched it more than once MJK, can't race read or Specsavers beckons for you.
No sooner had the stalls opened then the commentator was making comments like "the fav is being pushed along to get going by Kieren Fallon" and with various other comments during the race such as "Bwindi running in snatches and every now and again is being squeezed along by Fallon" or "trying to get closer is Bwindi." He is then rowing along from fully 4f out and gives it the first slap of the whip just after that, where the commentator mentions "Fallon's working on Bwindi in 4th" then off the final bend he's still rowing away and having barely straightened up, gives it a second slap of the whip with the commentator saying "at the moment it's not looking too hot for Bwindi" and "Fallon will not give up on Bwindi" and "Bwindi is beginning to run home, it didn't look good a furlong ago, here comes Bwindi with the Fallon drive" and so on and then gave the horse enough slaps to earn a whip ban too. Oh and you seriously want me to go through 7500 post of mine to find some specific comments I've made? If your text reading is as poor as your race reading you probably wouldn't even see them again even if I did somehow manage to find them. |
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You can't find it Ima cause you never have criticised him in a post. Sad but true.
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As I keep telling you MJK but your ability to retain info seems as poor as your eyesight, the advantage I have over you is that I am obviously aware of and have seen all of my posts which might be to do with the fact I was there as they were being typed up.
 And do you know what the ultimate irony is? When I did it on once occasion by suggesting he held off going for the whip for too long, I was labelled an armchair jockey by another poster on here.  Like I said though, am I supposed to remember the name of every horse he rides? Give it a while and I won't even remember the name of the Murtagh horse here today unless it's a high profile stand out one like Bosra Sham for example.....Oh btw, does that one count? |
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Think commentator was exaggerating the urgency early on,looked minimal effort and from the 6f pole you would've been expecting him to be a lot more vigorous,it was a poor ride regardless they went no pace and fallon must've realized this.Think it made it look even worse when he picked up the whip when it had no chance of winning then picked up,you think he would've given it a crack at the 6f pole to get into the race another thing that makes it worse is fallon rarely hits horses from those impossible positions of winning he more often than not eases them.
Perhaps he wore himself out earlier on ghost cat chalk and cheese rides,thought he gave that a really nice ride as well! |
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One of the worst rides you'll ever see. What the hell he was doing down the back straight and round the final bend. Not much that's for sure.
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I'm sure some of the Fallon critics on this thread post hoping as they see it ima wasting his time compiling a multi-paragraphed response. I don't think ima sees it that way, he knows that his posts will be winding up the Fallon critics so any time taken is well used.
It's a two way wind-up which will never have a conclusion.  |
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This was the last one in my Curley accumulator, really let me down big style
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Holywell.....the two way wind up ended with me a long time ago.....I blocked the tool ages ago and I don't regret it either.....what a grade A prick he is.....he'd argue with his toes the fool.....
I think the common consensus is that he is exactly that a Grade A arrsewipe.....nobody takes him seriously and rightly so..... I think anybody with a braincell could see what happened with that ride yesterday.....yet another nail in the horse racing industry coffin in Britain.... |
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if fallon wasnt trying surely he would have just eased down when in 4th and seemingly beaten..........just come in and say it didnt like the surface........i dont buy the making it look beat to get a bigger price in running theory
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It was just such a weird ride it's hard to know exactly what was going on. What is certain is that he should have won the race easily.
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think the horse just ran in snatches............probably not that good and bit of a dog
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Watched it twice now .... wasn't good enough 12 strikes I counted, winner deserved to win
Maybe if Fallon pushed harder earlier he may have won - but with that ride he didn't deserve to ... (imo) |
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Nothing more than a poorly judged ride; Learned to stay well away from Southwell a long time ago, mind.
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Notice how he moves to the outside to go around the bends and lose as much ground as possible, while the tryers went up the inside.
Which tells you all you need to know about the ride. |
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ima you are a joke. What you expect the commentator to say,something like,what on earth is Fallon doing,this thing is not off a yard,what is Fallon doing down the back straight,what on earth is he doing on the turn in,OMG once the race is over the horse is loving the place,here comes Fallon,but ohhhhhh soooo much to do
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Jetlonestar, it was more than a poorly judged ride. He allowed it to get way out of its ground by doing absolutely nothing apart from shake his elbows down the back straight and around the final bend, when he was also ridiculously wide subsequently losing more ground.
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From sitting relatively quietly as the leaders started to go away from him from the turn in to the home straight, to an all-out kitchen sink job in the last 2 furlongs and a 4-day whip ban. Unlucky in-running backers...
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Just watched the race and after reading all the comments on here I kind of wanted to be of the opinion of giving him all the benefit of the doubt going....before I watched it that is..........after watching it it is impossible to find anything other than criticism.....it looked to my untrained eye that fallon was trying to impart to the viewer that the horse was under maximum pressure through the race and that it was a right old effort, it looked very much to me though that despite fallons "performance" on top, it really didn't match up to how it looked by watching the horse itself.....even down the stretch fallon was never putting it all in....whatever way you cut it, it was an absolutely disgusting/shocking badly judged ride.....the horse was never under the pressure that fallon was trying to make out it was IMO.
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He got done for the whip, but that's a smokescreen because without the necessary shoving along with it that I don't think we saw from fallon late on, then it doesn't get the horse going properly anyway.
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I'm no fan of Fallon but cannot agree with the posters who feel there was something wrong with this ride - the animal looks a dodge pot - he did well to get it so close in the end.
There was nothing untoward about this race - only beaten half a length and six lengths clear of the third - not a race where you could guarantee getting the hot fav beaten - simply a poor race with poor unreliable types involved IMO of course ...... |
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Crepello, do you not think he allowed it to get 10+ lengths behind coming into the straight. Made little effort until the final 2 furlongs imo. shaking his elbows down the back to make it look as though he was doing something but was effectively sitting still.
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asparagus - for me, the horse did not travel well at any time - I can see why some (including yourself) feel it was an ill judged ride but I thought Fallon did well on an animal that did not look in love with the game - he had only run 5 times before yesterday and had already had blinkers and cheekpieces on so it seems likely he is not straightforward
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How many whip bans does Fallon pick up? Very few I would guess. Yet here he was at a crappy meeting and in a 5-bob race, going from sitting relatively passively to a picking up a whip ban...
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Crepello, fair enough. We'll just agree to disagree.
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Anybody that knows anything about the game knows exactly what went on here......anybody that knows anything about the game knows exactly what kind of a character Fallon is.....
What annoys me is an attempt by a half wit to try and pull the wool over clever people that watch racing day in day out ......and know the game inside out..... |
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A quick true tale. Many years ago a good friend of mine owned a few horses,one of them was dropped into a seller to land a touch having had a couple of not offs. The jockey was told the money was on and the horse should bolt up. He was also told to make it look like hard work as my mate wanted to keep the horse and without a bid. The horse won a head with the jock looking like he had to get very busy with it. The jockey got off and told us he had p issed up,despite looking all out. Jocks can make anything look convincing
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who was the jockey TRD...............fred archer
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It must have been about 15 years ago,so obviously not. I'm not saying who the jock was,but it's very true
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I don't particularity need cheering up today but am still grateful for the amusement some of these posts above have given me all the same.
Dr Crippen 08 Aug 14 11:31 Notice how he moves to the outside to go around the bends and lose as much ground as possible, while the tryers went up the inside. Which tells you all you need to know about the ride. Get yourself down to Specsavers because he actually did the complete opposite to what you claim and only went wide on the straight parts of the course to avoid the surface kick back and then tucked in coming into the bends. Obviously off the final bend unless he's going to hurdle the ones in front to go by them he's going to have to come wider and again to avoid the kick back, yet if he went up the inner then no doubt someone else would find a way to condemn him for that too by saying that's the slow part. Oh and just for good measure if you watch it again the winner and 3rd also went wide and the only one to go anywhere near the inner went from disputing the 1st to 4th, all 4 horses were tired horses wandering off the final bend, with the winner's jockey even struggling to straighten it up, that same horse was going up and down on the spot with a shortening stride and none of them took much pulling up after the line as they were all fcuked and out of their feet! TRD.Racing 08 Aug 14 13:03 ima you are a joke. What you expect the commentator to say,something like,what on earth is Fallon doing,this thing is not off a yard,what is Fallon doing down the back straight,what on earth is he doing on the turn in,OMG once the race is over the horse is loving the place,here comes Fallon,but ohhhhhh soooo much to do. LOL....right so I'm a joke for forming my own views and not having the sheep mentality of many on here? Is that commentator psychic btw because go back and watch the replay again (I know you won't as it will only serve to prove you wrong but others might take an interest anyway) and come back and tell us all how soon he says something like "the fav's one off last and being pushed along to get going by Fallon" or how far out he mentions the horse is running in snatches. Plus if you can't see it was as much the 3 in front of Fallon stopping as it was his horse "finishing" then find a new sport to bet on as this one's clearly not for you. asparagus 08 Aug 14 13:50 Jetlonestar, it was more than a poorly judged ride. He allowed it to get way out of its ground by doing absolutely nothing apart from shake his elbows down the back straight and around the final bend, when he was also ridiculously wide subsequently losing more ground. Erm, you know that bit where you said something about Fallon's elbows? Well that's actually what they do when they are riding it, their elbows go backwards and forwards as they push, scrub or row the horse along. Why don't you tell us too at what stage he first used his whip and did you want him to use up his full allocation even before coming off the final bend so he had nothing left, then let's guess what people would be saying eh? My money's on "see, he didn't even use the whip on it in the straight and wasn't even trying!" I think I've covered the wide bit above too. GEORGE.B 08 Aug 14 14:13 From sitting relatively quietly as the leaders started to go away from him from the turn in to the home straight, to an all-out kitchen sink job in the last 2 furlongs and a 4-day whip ban. Unlucky in-running backers... If scrubbing the ears off the horse on and off all race and then riding a non-stop full-on finish from 4f out with his first smack of the whip just after that mark counts as "sitting relatively quietly" then I'd love to see how manic a jockey would have to be for you to describe it as actually being ridden! duffy 08 Aug 14 14:19 He got done for the whip, but that's a smokescreen because without the necessary shoving along with it that I don't think we saw from fallon late on, then it doesn't get the horse going properly anyway. Another candidate for Specsavers I'm afraid and maybe a few of you can team up and see if they do BOGOF offers. He was shoving it along practically all race and why bother getting himself banned if the whole idea all along was not to win? Why not just put the whip down after half a dozen slaps, go hands and heels to the line and then fall back on the excuse he had used up his allocation and didn't want a ban? And by the way, the whip is not only used to get horses to quicken but once they are going as fast as they can it won't make them go any faster but it will help prevent them stopping too much. Oh and thank you crepello and others who can see things for what they are and nice too to restore a bit of much needed sanity in this place. |
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We need Fallon on here to tell us the TRUTH
I can handle it  |
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I can't believe that ima_mazed66 writes all his bollox in defence of Fallon for free.
Somebody must be paying him to write it. |