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"Jockeys stage mutiny after start inquiry"
By Lee Mottershead 7:16PM 5 APR 2014
"THE most extraordinary scenes linked to Saturday's Crabbie's Grand National took place not
on the racecourse but behind closed doors as 39 of the 40 riders staged a mass revolt by
collectively refusing to leave the weighing room to hear the outcome of a stewards' inquiry
into farcical scenes at the start.
All riders with the exception of Brendan Powell, whose mount Battle Group planted himself
at the start, now face being punished by the BHA after not a single jockey obeyed the stewards'
instructions to hear the result of their deliberations.
A BHA spokesman said only one rider or a representative of the weighing room was required to
be present for the reading of the inquiry's findings but none were willing to co-operate.
The case will now be heard at the BHA's London headquarters where a panel will not only make
public the suspensions dished out to the 39 jockeys for their actions at the start but
additionally decide how to deal with their act of rebellion.
The inquiry had been called to determine why all but one of the riders attempted to form a
line before the Grand National's official 4.15 start time had been reached. Minutes later
an official false start was recorded after the tape was broken.
The racecourse inquiry had attempted to investigate whether the riders had lined up before
being invited to do so and subsequently disobeyed the starter's instructions, additionally
putting the safety of one of the starting staff at risk."
"Jockeys stage mutiny after start inquiry"
By Lee Mottershead 7:16PM 5 APR 2014
"THE most extraordinary scenes linked to Saturday's Crabbie's Grand National took place not
on the racecourse but behind closed doors as 39 of the 40 riders staged a mass revolt by
collectively refusing to leave the weighing room to hear the outcome of a stewards' inquiry
into farcical scenes at the start.
All riders with the exception of Brendan Powell, whose mount Battle Group planted himself
at the start, now face being punished by the BHA after not a single jockey obeyed the stewards'
instructions to hear the result of their deliberations.
A BHA spokesman said only one rider or a representative of the weighing room was required to
be present for the reading of the inquiry's findings but none were willing to co-operate.
The case will now be heard at the BHA's London headquarters where a panel will not only make
public the suspensions dished out to the 39 jockeys for their actions at the start but
additionally decide how to deal with their act of rebellion.
The inquiry had been called to determine why all but one of the riders attempted to form a
line before the Grand National's official 4.15 start time had been reached. Minutes later
an official false start was recorded after the tape was broken.
The racecourse inquiry had attempted to investigate whether the riders had lined up before
being invited to do so and subsequently disobeyed the starter's instructions, additionally
putting the safety of one of the starting staff at risk."
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I will never forget the image of Starter Keith Brown - with his Mackintosh firmly belted up beneath his arm-pits 
- in Esha Ness's 'National that never was year.
It was like something out of a Monty Python sketch -
- and showed up officialdom for what it is.
Thought we had moved on, a little, from those days ....
- But, apparently not.
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Photo - in this link...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/racing/article-2304222/The-Grand-National-1993-20-years-on.html
- in Esha Ness's 'National that never was year.It was like something out of a Monty Python sketch -
- and showed up officialdom for what it is.
Thought we had moved on, a little, from those days ....
- But, apparently not.
-----------------
Photo - in this link...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/racing/article-2304222/The-Grand-National-1993-20-years-on.html
I remember that too onlooker - talk about bringing disrespect to the sport! It was made to look a joke that day.
Brilliant! The way races are started on the jumps is a joke. So the stewards blame 39 jockeys!!!
Good on the jocks for refusing to cowtow to these useless pr@tts.
I hope the suspensions the BHA is threatening results in a jockeys' strike. It's about time someone took on the nincompoops that run the sport.
Good on the jocks for refusing to cowtow to these useless pr@tts.
I hope the suspensions the BHA is threatening results in a jockeys' strike. It's about time someone took on the nincompoops that run the sport.
So - NOW - after what almost everybody has agreed was an 'acceptable Grand National'....
[b[The BHA are going to bring the race into the Public Eye, again[/b] -
- and no doubt the NATIONAL NEWS - when they, presumably, announce that they have both admonished, and Suspended, 39 Grand National Jockeys.
JOE PUBLIC - the NATIONAL Newspapers - the BBC, et al - who will, 'LOVE IT' - will ONLY see this in ONE LIGHT.....
Yet another SLUR on the GRAND NATIONAL
Talk about 'SHOOTING YOURSELF IN THE FOOT'.
[b[The BHA are going to bring the race into the Public Eye, again[/b] -
- and no doubt the NATIONAL NEWS - when they, presumably, announce that they have both admonished, and Suspended, 39 Grand National Jockeys.
JOE PUBLIC - the NATIONAL Newspapers - the BBC, et al - who will, 'LOVE IT' - will ONLY see this in ONE LIGHT.....
Yet another SLUR on the GRAND NATIONAL
Talk about 'SHOOTING YOURSELF IN THE FOOT'.
I wonder if any of the 39 will bottle it and plea bargain...no ban for testifying that AP, RJ, BG were the ring leaders and bullied the rest :o
The BHA throwing their weight around for no useful purpose whatsoever. A complete farce.
I wouldn't mind if we had some consistency - but compare to Cheltenham, where they were essentially encouraged to have a running start.
I wouldn't mind if we had some consistency - but compare to Cheltenham, where they were essentially encouraged to have a running start.
I thought Powell WAS trying to form a line. Only Battle Group obeyed the starter imo.
Funnily enough in a similar stand off 250 miles South in a place called Canary Wharf 39 alleged Journalists would not leave the building after the alleged Editor was told to produce a paper for the punters and not for the sponsors...
There was one alleged Tipster that left the building because he had made a profit...
Police have brought in Special Investigators to find out his identity...
They may have to bring in those that worked on Operation Yewtree to work out who he was....
There was one alleged Tipster that left the building because he had made a profit...
Police have brought in Special Investigators to find out his identity...
They may have to bring in those that worked on Operation Yewtree to work out who he was....
The GN normally goes off at least 10 mins late these days during which time the odds on nearly all the runners contracts quite noticeably giving a very healthy overround on the SP. Had somebody boobed by getting them down to the start on time this year ?
So the stewards were holding an enquiry into why there was a false start (which I presume they're required to when such an eventuality occurs), they've asked for at least 1 jockey to go to the stewards' room to give the jockeys' version of events, but the jokeys decided to play silly buggers and now we have a 'story'.
I'm not understanding the 'sympathy vote' for the jockeys here. The stewards were their jobs, and we don't know for sure the jokeys were going to be banned!
I'm not understanding the 'sympathy vote' for the jockeys here. The stewards were their jobs, and we don't know for sure the jokeys were going to be banned!
George, the jockeys didn't refuse to talk to the stewards, tey refused to go and listen to the stewards' decision.
load them into starting stalls for this four and a half mile stayers hurdle
Soz, my mistake, just trying to establish the facts here
But presumably, they didn't know for sure they were going to be banned, so why didn't one of them just go along and find out!?
But presumably, they didn't know for sure they were going to be banned, so why didn't one of them just go along and find out!?
thats not what happened George B, the jockeys did attend the first enquiry, but the enquiry was held over until after the amateur race, the jockeys did not like the way the enquiry was going so they all decided not to return to the enquiry.
The Stewards held an enquiry following a report from the Starter that Sam Twiston-Davies, the rider of TIDAL BAY (IRE), Mr S Waley-Cohen, the rider of LONG RUN (FR), Andrew Tinkler, the rider of HUNT BALL (IRE), Barry Geraghty, the rider of TRIOLO D’ALENE (FR), Noel Fehily, the rider of ROCKY CREEK (IRE), Brian O’Connell, the rider of QUITO DE LA ROQUE (FR), Mark Walsh, the rider of COLBERT STATION (IRE), Wayne Hutchinson, the rider of WALKON (FR), Richard Johnson, the rider of BALTHAZAR KING (IRE), Jack Doyle, the rider of WAYWARD PRINCE, Ryan Mania, the rider of MR MOONSHINE (IRE), Nick Schofield, the rider of TEAFORTHREE (IRE), Henry Brooke, the rider of ACROSS THE BAY (IRE), A P McCoy, the rider of DOUBLE SEVEN (IRE), A E Lynch, the rider of BUCKERS BRIDGE (IRE), Davy Russell, the rider of LION NA BEARNAI (IRE), Paul Townend, the rider of PRINCE DE BEAUCHENE (FR), Paul Carberry, the rider of MONBEG DUDE (IRE), Peter Buchanan, the rider of BIG SHU (IRE), Brian Harding, the rider of BURTON PORT (IRE), Denis O’Regan, the rider of OUR FATHER (IRE), Jamie Moore, the rider of MOUNTAINOUS (IRE), Aidan Coleman, the rider of THE RAINBOW HUNTER, Brian Hughes, the rider of VINTAGE STAR (IRE), Tom O’Brien, the rider of CHANCE DU ROY (FR), Ryan Mahon, the rider of HAWKES POINT, Wilson Renwick, the rider of KRUZHLININ (GER), Leighton Aspell, the rider of PINEAU DE RE (FR), Michael Byrne, the rider of GOLAN WAY, Richie McLernon, the rider of TWIRLING MAGNET (IRE), Katie Walsh, the rider of VESPER BELL (IRE), Tom Scudamore, the rider of THE PACKAGE, Davy Condon, the rider of RAZ DE MAREE (FR), Jake Greenall, the rider of ROSE OF THE MOON (IRE), David Bass, the rider of SHAKALAKABOOMBOOM (IRE), Paul Moloney, the rider of ALVARADO (IRE), Robert Colgan, the rider of LAST TIME D’ALBAIN (FR), Adam Wedge, the rider of ONE IN A MILAN (IRE) AND Conor O’Farrell, the rider of SWING BILL (FR) had lined up despite being advised by the Assistant Starter, who was positioned in front of the field, that it was not yet race time and then proceeded towards the start.
When these riders moved forward towards the start they knocked down the Assistant Starter, thereby comprising the welfare of an Official. After taking initial evidence from the riders and the Starting Team, the Stewards adjourned the Enquiry to consider the matter. In attempting to re-convene the Enquiry after the last race, the riders, who had not been given permission to leave the course, refused to attend the Enquiry. The Stewards have referred the matter to the British Horseracing Authority.
When these riders moved forward towards the start they knocked down the Assistant Starter, thereby comprising the welfare of an Official. After taking initial evidence from the riders and the Starting Team, the Stewards adjourned the Enquiry to consider the matter. In attempting to re-convene the Enquiry after the last race, the riders, who had not been given permission to leave the course, refused to attend the Enquiry. The Stewards have referred the matter to the British Horseracing Authority.
...had lined up despite being advised by the Assistant Starter, who was positioned in front of the field, that it was not yet race time and then proceeded towards the start.
When these riders moved forward towards the start they knocked down the Assistant Starter, thereby comprising the welfare of an Official
When these riders moved forward towards the start they knocked down the Assistant Starter, thereby comprising the welfare of an Official
So trying to start before the off time and knocking down an official in the process.
Nothing to see here, move along...
Nothing to see here, move along...
Surely with crowd noise,the jostle of 40 horses etc, it's quite possible that most of the jockeys would not have heard the starter's assistant and would have pushed forward from behind.
And those in front who did couldn't do much about it. It's all very well for the stewards and others to blame them but no jockey is going to deliberately disobey the starter because they know what the outcome will be.
And those in front who did couldn't do much about it. It's all very well for the stewards and others to blame them but no jockey is going to deliberately disobey the starter because they know what the outcome will be.
surely the assistant starter needs a psychiatric evaluation?! who the hell stands up in front of 40 horses shout and screaming?
Isn't the point of the starter having a microphone so that he can give clear instructions to the riders, with such a big field and the crowd noise?
Why exactly do we need anyone standing in front of the horses giving instructions?
Why exactly do we need anyone standing in front of the horses giving instructions?
Oh I see, so they couldn't hear him but thought they'd run him over anyway!? 
Btw, has anyone got a link to the televisual evidence of this unfortunate assistant starter having 39 horses charging at him?
Just been on Youtube - GEORGE
The Start and race are on - But ONLY from the Proper Start.
Somewhat annoyingly - The False Start from 2 years ago is on -
- along with the Double False Start Void race in 1993.
The Start and race are on - But ONLY from the Proper Start.
Somewhat annoyingly - The False Start from 2 years ago is on -
- along with the Double False Start Void race in 1993.
GEORGE B works for the BHA imo.
He is sticking up for their crass handling of this and is always wanting people to pick outsiders in the comps. And we know the BHA are hand in glove with the bookies.
Come on GEORGE do the decent thing and declare your interest.
He is sticking up for their crass handling of this and is always wanting people to pick outsiders in the comps. And we know the BHA are hand in glove with the bookies.
Come on GEORGE do the decent thing and declare your interest.
What if the assistant starter had been seriously injured, salmon spray?
I picked a shortie today, so dunno what you're on about there.
And btw, have you taken any of your 5 'freebies' yet!?
Yes, I'm Paul Bitter, how do you do?
I picked a shortie today, so dunno what you're on about there.
And btw, have you taken any of your 5 'freebies' yet!?
Yes, I'm Paul Bitter, how do you do?
If the race had still been on the BBC ...
We could have watched a Replay - after 'Match of the Day' ... (in the 'old days')
- or ...
Just gone on iPlayer, nowadays.
With Channel4 Racing - we will have to wait until next Saturday's Morning Line.
We could have watched a Replay - after 'Match of the Day' ... (in the 'old days')
- or ...Just gone on iPlayer, nowadays.
With Channel4 Racing - we will have to wait until next Saturday's Morning Line.
Pretty sure I heard the starter shout ' c'mon then ! ' - and was surprised when a false start was called !
salmon spray
05 Apr 14 22:52
GEORGE B works for the BHA imo.
He is sticking up for their crass handling of this
I suggest you read the through again, I'm trying to establish what happened and see the incident for myself.
No matter what happened today, whether or not YOU, me, or the jocks like it, when those who have the authority order you to do something, you do it, that is the way of the world we live in.
If they have disobeyed the starter(s), and as a result an assistant starter has been put in danger, then they have a case to answer and a ban is justified imo.
If they felt an injustice was about to happen, there is an appeals process they can go through. If they still feel hard done by, they have other means they can try eg PJA or withdrawing their labour on a certain day.
The stewards ordered at least one of them to be present to hear the findings of their enquiry, one of them should have gone, and then took it from there.
05 Apr 14 22:52
GEORGE B works for the BHA imo.
He is sticking up for their crass handling of this
I suggest you read the through again, I'm trying to establish what happened and see the incident for myself.
No matter what happened today, whether or not YOU, me, or the jocks like it, when those who have the authority order you to do something, you do it, that is the way of the world we live in.
If they have disobeyed the starter(s), and as a result an assistant starter has been put in danger, then they have a case to answer and a ban is justified imo.
If they felt an injustice was about to happen, there is an appeals process they can go through. If they still feel hard done by, they have other means they can try eg PJA or withdrawing their labour on a certain day.
The stewards ordered at least one of them to be present to hear the findings of their enquiry, one of them should have gone, and then took it from there.
I haven't George/Paul/John/Ringo but thanks for the tip as I am struggling at the moment.
The void Grand National with the two false starts was a total farce. I backed Zetas Son for serious money , and was gutted. His trainer shouted to the starter that he was going to sue him !
I Remember John Upson referring to Ireland as ' a backward little country' and getting plenty of grief over it ......!
they don't like it up them the stewards , they can go themselves im with the jocks on this one
wasn't conducted fairly so they have rights under the Geneva convention
wasn't conducted fairly so they have rights under the Geneva convention
It's not about taking sides, or who's right or who's wrong imo, it's about jockeys thinking they are above authority and refusing to turn up to hear the findings of the stewards' enquiry.
As above, if they disagree with the decision of a stewards' panel, they do have avenues they can explore starting off with an appeal. Petulance was not the answer.
As above, if they disagree with the decision of a stewards' panel, they do have avenues they can explore starting off with an appeal. Petulance was not the answer.
If you think you have been unfairly treated then you must do what you can to bring attention to it , its unprecedented so they must feel strongly about it
good on them for taking a stand against injustice
good on them for taking a stand against injustice
How do you know an 'injustice' has taken place.
An assistant starter was knocked down - how did it happen, who was to blame?
Have you got the televisual evidence?
An assistant starter was knocked down - how did it happen, who was to blame?
Have you got the televisual evidence?
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/apr/05/jockeys-revolt-false-start-gran...
Unfortunate a starter got knocked over but goes with the territory
Jocks risk their lives with every race so not ones for dramatics unless they have good reason , wait and see
Jocks risk their lives with every race so not ones for dramatics unless they have good reason , wait and see
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/horseracing/grand-national/10747528/Grand-National-2014-False-start-row-sparks-jockey-revolt.html
A bit more info here, they were seemingly about to be banned for 2 days each and were unhappy that their punishment apparently had been determined prior to the inquiry reconvening.
A bit more info here, they were seemingly about to be banned for 2 days each and were unhappy that their punishment apparently had been determined prior to the inquiry reconvening.
You were still wrong to say there had been an 'injustice' when you don't have all the facts.
Give them all 2 days for the initial offence and an extra 4 for their petulance afterwards. Arrogant little men.
They do, but it's their choice. They do it for the thrill, glory and potential financial rewards.
They're not doing it for YOU or me, and it doesn't give them the right to question the authority of the stewards on the day.
They're not doing it for YOU or me, and it doesn't give them the right to question the authority of the stewards on the day.
And they did it today for the chance of a bit of £1,000,0000.
The started was on how much?
The started was on how much?
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Funnily enough in a similar stand off 250 miles South in a place called Canary Wharf 39 alleged Journalists would not leave the building after the alleged Editor was told to produce a paper for the punters and not for the sponsors...
There was one alleged Tipster that left the building because he had made a profit...
Police have brought in Special Investigators to find out his identity...
They may have to bring in those that worked on Operation Yewtree to work out who he was....
bore off,no-one cares,zzzzzz
Funnily enough in a similar stand off 250 miles South in a place called Canary Wharf 39 alleged Journalists would not leave the building after the alleged Editor was told to produce a paper for the punters and not for the sponsors...
There was one alleged Tipster that left the building because he had made a profit...
Police have brought in Special Investigators to find out his identity...
They may have to bring in those that worked on Operation Yewtree to work out who he was....
bore off,no-one cares,zzzzzz
Apr 6, 2014 -- 12:25AM, hello :-) wrote:
arrogant little men who risk life and limb
Bha are in a really bad spot here....both sides acted improperly and will need some measure of discipline and I don't think they can get away from this without punishing both sides.
Most of the jockeys will have been working since early morning. They will be tired hungry and carrying injuries. Was it nescessary to make them hang around to listen to the findings until after the 5.25 race?
Most will have travel schedules and some will be dependant on lifts. Like most of us when we finish work we are ready for home.
Instead of throwing their weight about why not say that there will be an announcement at a later date when the racing calender is not busy i.e next week. The jockeys will probably be a bit more tolerant when the dust has settled.
That is if the stewards feel like putting themselves out and meeting the jockeys half way.
Most will have travel schedules and some will be dependant on lifts. Like most of us when we finish work we are ready for home.
Instead of throwing their weight about why not say that there will be an announcement at a later date when the racing calender is not busy i.e next week. The jockeys will probably be a bit more tolerant when the dust has settled.
That is if the stewards feel like putting themselves out and meeting the jockeys half way.
the stupid starter caused it all, went up on his podium and then shouted it isnt time yet, like all jockeys have a watch on their arms.
he went up too early, end off. he should be sacked and fined, that wont happen will it.
he went up too early, end off. he should be sacked and fined, that wont happen will it.
AP and Davy the ring leaders :o
"Tony McCoy and Davy Russell were our main spokespeople and we decided with them that we wouldn't go back into the inquiry," said Davy Condon, rider of eighth-placed Raz De Maree.
"Tony McCoy and Davy Russell were our main spokespeople and we decided with them that we wouldn't go back into the inquiry," said Davy Condon, rider of eighth-placed Raz De Maree.
Jockeys could be hit with heavier bans after revolt
By Graham Green & Jessica Lamb 8:00PM 6 APR 2014
CHAMPION jockey Tony McCoy and Cheltenham Gold Cup hero Davy Russell on Sunday emerged as prime movers in the Grand National day revolt over a stewards' inquiry into farcical scenes at the start that could now result in 39 jockeys receiving a heavier ban than they originally faced.
In a dramatic end to Saturday's action at Aintree, all but one of the big-race riders staged a mutiny by collectively refusing to leave the weighing room to hear the outcome of the inquiry.
It is understood they were to receive blanket two-day bans over Easter bank holiday weekend, which features the Grade 1 Powers Gold Cup at Fairyhouse.
Their actions sparked a referral to the BHA - most likely to take place on Thursday week - where, with the exception of Brendan Powell whose mount Battle Group planted himself at the start, it is understood all riders could face additional punishment for their act of rebellion.
"Tony McCoy and Davy Russell were our main spokespeople and we decided with them that we wouldn't go back into the inquiry," said Davy Condon, rider of eighth-placed Raz De Maree.
"We all tried our best and we said that in the inquiry, but they said we were all going to get two days and we felt hard done by."
Barry Geraghty, top rider at this year's National meeting, summed up the mood, saying: "We felt very aggrieved with the way the inquiry was dealt with. It's gone on to the BHA and it's better if no more is said on the matter for now."
By Graham Green & Jessica Lamb 8:00PM 6 APR 2014
CHAMPION jockey Tony McCoy and Cheltenham Gold Cup hero Davy Russell on Sunday emerged as prime movers in the Grand National day revolt over a stewards' inquiry into farcical scenes at the start that could now result in 39 jockeys receiving a heavier ban than they originally faced.
In a dramatic end to Saturday's action at Aintree, all but one of the big-race riders staged a mutiny by collectively refusing to leave the weighing room to hear the outcome of the inquiry.
It is understood they were to receive blanket two-day bans over Easter bank holiday weekend, which features the Grade 1 Powers Gold Cup at Fairyhouse.
Their actions sparked a referral to the BHA - most likely to take place on Thursday week - where, with the exception of Brendan Powell whose mount Battle Group planted himself at the start, it is understood all riders could face additional punishment for their act of rebellion.
"Tony McCoy and Davy Russell were our main spokespeople and we decided with them that we wouldn't go back into the inquiry," said Davy Condon, rider of eighth-placed Raz De Maree.
"We all tried our best and we said that in the inquiry, but they said we were all going to get two days and we felt hard done by."
Barry Geraghty, top rider at this year's National meeting, summed up the mood, saying: "We felt very aggrieved with the way the inquiry was dealt with. It's gone on to the BHA and it's better if no more is said on the matter for now."
Throw the starter into the canal and all the idiot stewards with him!
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