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I suspect most punters if my age will know the feeling of all the years of the past merging together and I've been trying unsuccessfully to establish the right year for three key betting events from my youth.
The first involves a horse called Vigos Slipper, who ran in the Lincoln and then reappeared a few days later to win a 1m 3f handicap at Catterick - and if my memory is correct, the SP was about 9/2. Vigos Slipper went on to win two (or maybe three) more races that season, all of which were over 1m 3f at either Redcar or Catterick. This was my first ever winner, backed to the tune of 2s 6d each way.
The second relates to my first ever visit to Alexandra Palace and the only horse I remember was called Old Tom, who won the middle leg of the Tote Treble at 10/1 on, having finished second in the Brittania Handicap at Royal Ascot a week or two earlier. All three legs of the treble went to the favourite and I collected a dividend of about 17s for a 5s stake.
The third is a horse called Top of the Pops, who won the 5f handicap at the Ascot Heath meeting at something like 8/1 or 9/1. I backed this on the strength of a tip from my barber (!) and laid out £1 win, to which I added another 10s when the price lengthened at the second show.
As you can see, I retain quite a bit of the detail, but I can't fix the year for any of those bets. Any help gratefully received.
The first involves a horse called Vigos Slipper, who ran in the Lincoln and then reappeared a few days later to win a 1m 3f handicap at Catterick - and if my memory is correct, the SP was about 9/2. Vigos Slipper went on to win two (or maybe three) more races that season, all of which were over 1m 3f at either Redcar or Catterick. This was my first ever winner, backed to the tune of 2s 6d each way.
The second relates to my first ever visit to Alexandra Palace and the only horse I remember was called Old Tom, who won the middle leg of the Tote Treble at 10/1 on, having finished second in the Brittania Handicap at Royal Ascot a week or two earlier. All three legs of the treble went to the favourite and I collected a dividend of about 17s for a 5s stake.
The third is a horse called Top of the Pops, who won the 5f handicap at the Ascot Heath meeting at something like 8/1 or 9/1. I backed this on the strength of a tip from my barber (!) and laid out £1 win, to which I added another 10s when the price lengthened at the second show.
As you can see, I retain quite a bit of the detail, but I can't fix the year for any of those bets. Any help gratefully received.
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Vigos Slipper won at Catterick, Ayr & Redcar in 1965. Had a Timeform rating at the end of the 1965 season of 80. Old Tom won the Lincoln in 1965 I remember it well as I had backed it in the Lincoln the previous year!
I can remember Old Tom winning the Lincoln in the 60s. I was 13 at the time but my dad had a bet on him.
I don't have form boos but my Timeform annuals give the following :
1963 4ch.c. Won at Stockton in April and Zetland Hcap at Doncaster in June, 3rd in Rose of York Hcap in August. Very game and genuine
1964. Improved form to win two races and be placed three times in good company. Won Eastern Hcap at Newcastle in March, dead-heated for 3rd in Victoria Cup at newbury in May, won Matthew Peacock stakes at Haydock in September.
1965. Won Lincoln by 1/2l from Tarqogan. Possibly unlucky when 6th in Royal Hunt Cup finishing very strongly indeed.
Died in 1965 and was trained by Peter Easterby.
I don't have form boos but my Timeform annuals give the following :
1963 4ch.c. Won at Stockton in April and Zetland Hcap at Doncaster in June, 3rd in Rose of York Hcap in August. Very game and genuine
1964. Improved form to win two races and be placed three times in good company. Won Eastern Hcap at Newcastle in March, dead-heated for 3rd in Victoria Cup at newbury in May, won Matthew Peacock stakes at Haydock in September.
1965. Won Lincoln by 1/2l from Tarqogan. Possibly unlucky when 6th in Royal Hunt Cup finishing very strongly indeed.
Died in 1965 and was trained by Peter Easterby.
Top of the Pops won at Ascot in 1966.Decent horse had a Timeform rating at the end of 1966 of 113.Won the Albemarle Stakes at Ascot.
Onlooker will know. I remember Old Tom cos I backed it for the Lincoln. Scobie rode it. I was about 12, so 1964/65. My first ever 25/1 winner, I think
anyone remember a horse called SHEBEEN.......would have the late 60s or more like the early seventies
Thanks for all that info - that points to Old Tom winning at Ally Pally in 1962, as he had to be a 3-y-old to run in the Britannia.
I backed TARQOGAN and doubled him ew with JAY TRUMP for the national,
jockey did not do the horse justice with weak finish thinking
he had it won, BREASLEY dosed him on the line, closer than 1/2 length
I remember.
jockey did not do the horse justice with weak finish thinking
he had it won, BREASLEY dosed him on the line, closer than 1/2 length
I remember.
I have a photo of the finish, bazzar, but it is not side on and I cannot be sure it was taken right on the line. I'd guess the distance is about a neck. Tarqogan went on to win the Cambs that season carrying 9st 3lbs. Mind, he might not have carried far off that in the Lincoln.
Old Tom was a 3yo in 1962, but he didn't run in the Britannia. The first 3 home were Fiacre, tamerlo, and Flag.
A future Lincoln winner did run in the race, though - Mighty Ghurka.
A future Lincoln winner did run in the race, though - Mighty Ghurka.
Old Tom ran in the Royal Hunt Cup in '64 and '65, but was unplaced both times.
Anorak are you guy who was on who wants to be a millionaire ? I cant remeber your name 
Believe it or not delta ,I was actually on the Show the night the Chap got in the seat ,I failed to do so ,he went on to win half a million the following show ,probably irrelevant 
Old Tom carried 8-02 in the 64 RHC and was ridden by Jimmy Etherington, returned unplaced at 20/1
Old Tom carried 8-03 in the 65 RHC and was ridden by Scobie Breasley, returned unplaced at 100/6
Old Tom carried 8-03 in the 65 RHC and was ridden by Scobie Breasley, returned unplaced at 100/6
Top Of The Pops won the first race on the card at the Heath meeting at 11/2 fav.
The 2nd race on the card was won by The Knack at 25/1. I picked it out for my aunt (I think just because it was 1 from 1 - I had no idea of class of race - I was only 12) - and she put it in her usual cross doubles and a treble - but the others all lost, so she (and me) got no return.
The 2nd race on the card was won by The Knack at 25/1. I picked it out for my aunt (I think just because it was 1 from 1 - I had no idea of class of race - I was only 12) - and she put it in her usual cross doubles and a treble - but the others all lost, so she (and me) got no return.
the anorak is the guy who has written a couple of books on racing.......good reads...........and john randall of the RP won half a million
Mar 31, 2014 -- 12:06PM, dorasdad wrote:
Vigos Slipper won at Catterick, Ayr & Redcar in 1965. Had a Timeform rating at the end of the 1965 season of 80. Old Tom won the Lincoln in 1965 I remember it well as I had backed it in the Lincoln the previous year!
I remember Old Tom winning the Lincoln
He was best on the soft, all his wins were on soft...yet he won the Lincoln on firm going
or vice versa
these are the problems we have in this game
I'm starting to think that Old Tom wasn't the name of the Ally Pally horse that won at 10/1 on, but that I've remembered him from the Lincoln.
But I'm still pretty sure it was a meeting just after Royal Ascot and his price was down to him running so well there and having only two or three opponents at AP.
But I'm still pretty sure it was a meeting just after Royal Ascot and his price was down to him running so well there and having only two or three opponents at AP.
Old Tom was reckoned to only just stay the mile, and Breasley held him up until late.
Vijay finished 5th, having been relegated to the rear rank at the start (39 runners), because he'd played up at the start the year before. Another horse also backed into him as the tapes went up.
Old Tom was owned by a Mr Elbs, who left Norfolk to live in Kenya, had the horse bought for him in his absence as a 2yo, and never saw his horse run.
Vijay finished 5th, having been relegated to the rear rank at the start (39 runners), because he'd played up at the start the year before. Another horse also backed into him as the tapes went up.
Old Tom was owned by a Mr Elbs, who left Norfolk to live in Kenya, had the horse bought for him in his absence as a 2yo, and never saw his horse run.
Anorak
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My memory is that BREASLEY was allowed to come up between the far rail and TARQOGAN ,
the jockey who's name was the same as the trainer but NOT related, should not have left room
for Breasley to do him but he did.
the jockey who's name was the same as the trainer but NOT related, should not have left room
for Breasley to do him but he did.
Looks like there was a meeting on the Tuesday following Ascot week.
1965 not the one you're looking for though:-
Tuesday Jun 23, 1965, Ally Pally.
Winners were:-
High Crop. G Lewis 6/1.
Gratin. A Breasley 6/4 fav - beat Butomus, who I remember running a few times at Ally Pally.
Welsh Harvest. J Lindley 11/4.
Alphonse. P Cook. 100/30 fav.
Call To Arms. L Piggott 5/1.
Catamaran. L Piggott 7/1.
1965 not the one you're looking for though:-
Tuesday Jun 23, 1965, Ally Pally.
Winners were:-
High Crop. G Lewis 6/1.
Gratin. A Breasley 6/4 fav - beat Butomus, who I remember running a few times at Ally Pally.
Welsh Harvest. J Lindley 11/4.
Alphonse. P Cook. 100/30 fav.
Call To Arms. L Piggott 5/1.
Catamaran. L Piggott 7/1.
bazzar - the near side held sway. The runners emerged from the mist 4 out. Printer was leading into the final furlong, Tarqogan headed him, then Old Tom shot through late.
ged knows the score .. well done zips got all the form books since 1959 .. most were my Dads .. but ged is well clued up .. hey had a look over the last hour or so .. and ged is spot on .
ged us old timers and they say we know knowt
you kids you got to get old before you get smart . why you tell you later ... money to be won next at Kempton 3.300 looks a cert
ged us old timers and they say we know knowt
you kids you got to get old before you get smart . why you tell you later ... money to be won next at Kempton 3.300 looks a cert
3.30 fillies only .. 2 have dropped out this Adiynara take a look at her last 3 runs
Last
3rd
won
ran 25 days ago so shes on form .. bouncing . i like fillies bouncing .. lump on
Last
3rd
won
ran 25 days ago so shes on form .. bouncing . i like fillies bouncing .. lump on
Afternoon, everybody,
Before I delve into the books, to 'dot the t's and cross the i's' - which may not be immediately, as we are currently racing ....
The name Jimmy Etherington sprang to mind when I saw Vigo's Slipper.
As has already been posted - with OLD TOM winning the Lincoln in the year suggested by Anorak - then, if Vigo's ran in that year's Lincoln, too - then that is probably a cross-reference connection/reason that has complicated the Ally Pally issue.
Before I delve into the books, to 'dot the t's and cross the i's' - which may not be immediately, as we are currently racing ....
The name Jimmy Etherington sprang to mind when I saw Vigo's Slipper.
As has already been posted - with OLD TOM winning the Lincoln in the year suggested by Anorak - then, if Vigo's ran in that year's Lincoln, too - then that is probably a cross-reference connection/reason that has complicated the Ally Pally issue.
Vigo's carried 7-0 in that year's Lincoln, ridden by N McIntosh - came into it with form figs of 000004-
It's an indication of how sophisticated I was as a punter back then - not, as the info about Vigos Slipper came from the man I worked for on a Saturday morning, helping out with his greengrocery round, selling fruit and veg door to door from the back of a converted removals van.
He told me it was running in the Lincoln as a racecourse gallop to get it ready for the Catterick race and that was the one it would win. No idea where he got this from, as we were in North London and the horse was trained in Yorkshire. He'd never even mentioned racing before, although I knew he liked a bet as I was also the Saturday afternoon boardboy in the local betting shop, which exposed me to all the characters in an otherwise sedate middle class suburb.
He told me it was running in the Lincoln as a racecourse gallop to get it ready for the Catterick race and that was the one it would win. No idea where he got this from, as we were in North London and the horse was trained in Yorkshire. He'd never even mentioned racing before, although I knew he liked a bet as I was also the Saturday afternoon boardboy in the local betting shop, which exposed me to all the characters in an otherwise sedate middle class suburb.
TheAnorak -
You obviously helped the wrong, "fruit and veg man".
Peter Naughton's, "fruit and veg man" - won the SCOOP6.
- although - in those days - it would have had to have been the Tote Jackpot.
You obviously helped the wrong, "fruit and veg man".
Peter Naughton's, "fruit and veg man" - won the SCOOP6.
- although - in those days - it would have had to have been the Tote Jackpot.
^^
Racing journalist and broadcaster Peter Naughton was working live on Racing UK at Haydock when he learned that he had won 'around £7,500, not a life-changing sum' as part of a group entry run by his 'mate Arthur on the fruit and veg'.
Remember it well , Numpty Naughton wetting himself with excitement , money no doubt long wasted away .........
Racing journalist and broadcaster Peter Naughton was working live on Racing UK at Haydock when he learned that he had won 'around £7,500, not a life-changing sum' as part of a group entry run by his 'mate Arthur on the fruit and veg'.
Remember it well , Numpty Naughton wetting himself with excitement , money no doubt long wasted away .........
Naughton's story isn't true though is it? It was a mate of his (who I think is a racing journalist) who dragged him in for £50 because the syndicate organiser (who certainly isn't a fruit and veg man) was upping the stake that week.
Just looked up VIGO'S SLIPPER -
He won in 1965 - as posted by others earlier
The race he won at Catterick - after the Lincoln - in which TheAnorack backed him - was on April 3rd - on Firm ground.
3-00 Jockey Cap Handicap - 1m 3f 40yds
Winner £337 12s
1. VIGO'S SLIPPER - 4-7-8 P Hetherington*3
(rapid prog to lead 1f out, drew clear)
2. Jambo - 5-8-13 - Eddie Hide
3. Kulumidza - 6-8-3 HGarry Greenaway
11 ran
Dist: 5 lengths, one and a half
Time: 2m 25,4/5ths (b1/5th)
Trained by: L (Tommy) Shedden (Wetherby)
Owner: J E Taylor
Breeder H D (Harry) Peacock
SP: 9/2 2ndfav (from 6s), 9/2, 10/1
7/2 Fav Waydette.
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My Jimmy Etherington thought/connection - was, therefore, Apprentice P Hetherington - who rode the horse on several occasions.
He won in 1965 - as posted by others earlier
The race he won at Catterick - after the Lincoln - in which TheAnorack backed him - was on April 3rd - on Firm ground.
3-00 Jockey Cap Handicap - 1m 3f 40yds
Winner £337 12s
1. VIGO'S SLIPPER - 4-7-8 P Hetherington*3
(rapid prog to lead 1f out, drew clear)
2. Jambo - 5-8-13 - Eddie Hide
3. Kulumidza - 6-8-3 HGarry Greenaway
11 ran
Dist: 5 lengths, one and a half
Time: 2m 25,4/5ths (b1/5th)
Trained by: L (Tommy) Shedden (Wetherby)
Owner: J E Taylor
Breeder H D (Harry) Peacock
SP: 9/2 2ndfav (from 6s), 9/2, 10/1
7/2 Fav Waydette.
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My Jimmy Etherington thought/connection - was, therefore, Apprentice P Hetherington - who rode the horse on several occasions.
As ged has already posted - Top Of The Pops won the Ascot Heath Handicap, the following, year, in 1966
In 1965 - The race was won by - Passport - trained by Jack Waugh, and ridden by Doug Smith
In 1965 - The race was won by - Passport - trained by Jack Waugh, and ridden by Doug Smith
The Anorak - here is your ANSWER ...
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The Alexandra Park meeting, "following Royal Ascot," was, in fact - the second such meeting after Royal Ascot.
It was run on WEDNESDAY June 30th
* Incidentally, I thought that Ally Pally - moved to Monday evenings - and then Windsor inherited those fixtures - as now.
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Somewhat coincidentally - the second race, that Wednesday, was won by a horse called - NEVER NEVER, the Favourite.
A horse called NEVER NEVER - has JUST won the last race at Hexham, as the Favourite.
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The Winners that Wednesday evening were ...
2-y-o Seller - WHISTLE TIME - P Rafferty - W O'Gorman - 12 ran -7/2 2ndfav
1m 5f Handicap - NEVER NEVER - W Guest - Sir Gordon Richards(Trainer) - 4 ran - 4/5 Fav
2-y-o Maiden Fillies - HEN-PECKED - Frankie Durr - J Walsh - 6 ran - 6/5 Fav
3 & 4-y-o Maiden - POLYNIA - Lester Piggott - Tommy Gosling - 8 ran - Evens Fav
1m 5f Handicap - ATTRACTIVE - 'Weary' Willie Williamson - Walter Wharton - owned by Major Lionel Holliday - 6 ran - 11/4 2ndfav
1m Handicap - TROMBA - Lester Piggott - Fred Armstrong - 3 ran - 1/10 Fav.
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Tote Double - 10 shillings Stake - £6 7s ( 175 winning tickets)
Tote TREBLE - 5 shillings Stake - 17 shillings (887 tickets)
SP of Tote TREBLE winners ... 4/5 - Evens - 1/10.
The "middle leg of the Tote TREBLE," was won by Polynia - who had previously finished 4th in a Folkestone Maiden.
The Final leg of the Tote TREBLE being the, "1/10 Fav, who had run at Royal Ascot" - as referred to, by TheAnorak -
But the horse was TrOMba - part of Old TOM in THAT name, though - who HAD, indeed, finished, "second in the Britannia Handicap at Royal Ascot."
So - well remembered The Anorak.
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The Alexandra Park meeting, "following Royal Ascot," was, in fact - the second such meeting after Royal Ascot.
It was run on WEDNESDAY June 30th
* Incidentally, I thought that Ally Pally - moved to Monday evenings - and then Windsor inherited those fixtures - as now.
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Somewhat coincidentally - the second race, that Wednesday, was won by a horse called - NEVER NEVER, the Favourite.
A horse called NEVER NEVER - has JUST won the last race at Hexham, as the Favourite.
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The Winners that Wednesday evening were ...
2-y-o Seller - WHISTLE TIME - P Rafferty - W O'Gorman - 12 ran -7/2 2ndfav
1m 5f Handicap - NEVER NEVER - W Guest - Sir Gordon Richards(Trainer) - 4 ran - 4/5 Fav
2-y-o Maiden Fillies - HEN-PECKED - Frankie Durr - J Walsh - 6 ran - 6/5 Fav
3 & 4-y-o Maiden - POLYNIA - Lester Piggott - Tommy Gosling - 8 ran - Evens Fav
1m 5f Handicap - ATTRACTIVE - 'Weary' Willie Williamson - Walter Wharton - owned by Major Lionel Holliday - 6 ran - 11/4 2ndfav
1m Handicap - TROMBA - Lester Piggott - Fred Armstrong - 3 ran - 1/10 Fav.
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Tote Double - 10 shillings Stake - £6 7s ( 175 winning tickets)
Tote TREBLE - 5 shillings Stake
- 17 shillings (887 tickets)SP of Tote TREBLE winners ... 4/5 - Evens - 1/10.
The "middle leg of the Tote TREBLE," was won by Polynia - who had previously finished 4th in a Folkestone Maiden.
The Final leg of the Tote TREBLE being the, "1/10 Fav, who had run at Royal Ascot" - as referred to, by TheAnorak -
But the horse was TrOMba - part of Old TOM in THAT name, though
- who HAD, indeed, finished, "second in the Britannia Handicap at Royal Ascot."So - well remembered The Anorak.
Well done onlooker.
He'd have been doing well to pick up the Tote Treble on 26 may. One leg was won by a John Meacock horse, who had form figs of 0/000-00, and started at 33/1. The divi was £2302.10s to a 5s stake.
He'd have been doing well to pick up the Tote Treble on 26 may. One leg was won by a John Meacock horse, who had form figs of 0/000-00, and started at 33/1. The divi was £2302.10s to a 5s stake.
Looking at TheAnoraks Tote TREBLE dividend - and 887 winning tickets.
Assuming a Tote 'take-out' of around 25%, in those days - then the Total POOL would have been around £1000.
Likewise the Tote Double POOL, too.
How much would £1000 equate to nowadays?
Assuming a Tote 'take-out' of around 25%, in those days - then the Total POOL would have been around £1000.
Likewise the Tote Double POOL, too.
How much would £1000 equate to nowadays?
Onlooker,
Thank you very much - you'll be pleased to know that I've completely forgotten all the losers I backed in the 60's and find I have no desire to be reminded of them!
My thanks also to everyone else that has contributed - I hope the memories have brightened an otherwise quiet afternoon of racing.
Thank you very much - you'll be pleased to know that I've completely forgotten all the losers I backed in the 60's and find I have no desire to be reminded of them!
My thanks also to everyone else that has contributed - I hope the memories have brightened an otherwise quiet afternoon of racing.
What was the name of the Meacock horse - was it Zardar-Kuh?.
Looking at the Tote pool another way, one thousand pounds was about my fathers salary as a senior civil servant in the Home Office at that time, and I reckon that would now be more like £60k.
Or again, we had moved five years earlier into a three bed semi in North London for which my father paid £2,850. The same house changed hands three years ago for £390,000.
So the official change of value based on inflation figures seems to indicate the extent to which government has fiddled the figures over the years.
Or again, we had moved five years earlier into a three bed semi in North London for which my father paid £2,850. The same house changed hands three years ago for £390,000.
So the official change of value based on inflation figures seems to indicate the extent to which government has fiddled the figures over the years.
Old Tom was a 3yo in 1962, but he didn't run at Ally Pally nor in the Britannia Stakes at Royal Ascot. His runs were 23 April at Newcastle and 18 May at Haydock. Next race was 22 August at York.
Tamerlo was 2nd in the Britannia Stakes and won next time out at Brighton on 2 July followed up by another win at Goodwood on 3 August. They were his only 2 wins of the year.
Admirals Lark won at Ally Pally on 26 June he had finished down the field in the Royal Hunt Cup on 20 June. Admirals Lark won the last race on the card at Ally Pally and so would have been part of the tote treble.
You are right all three legs of the tote treble went to the favourite. Lucky Harry @ 5/2, Altimeter @ 9/4, and Adimrals Lark was 11/10. There were 194 winning tickets and the tote treble paid £7.11s or £7.55p in decimal coinage.
Tamerlo was 2nd in the Britannia Stakes and won next time out at Brighton on 2 July followed up by another win at Goodwood on 3 August. They were his only 2 wins of the year.
Admirals Lark won at Ally Pally on 26 June he had finished down the field in the Royal Hunt Cup on 20 June. Admirals Lark won the last race on the card at Ally Pally and so would have been part of the tote treble.
You are right all three legs of the tote treble went to the favourite. Lucky Harry @ 5/2, Altimeter @ 9/4, and Adimrals Lark was 11/10. There were 194 winning tickets and the tote treble paid £7.11s or £7.55p in decimal coinage.
Anorak - there is a really good website called "Whats it worth". It allows you to add any amount, a start year and an end year and it will calc current value based on a range of measures. Not sure if house prices are there but it certainly has wages growth and a cost index (rpi or some other price index)
Dunlaying.....
Karkeh Rud – Bay Mare, 1962.
The bay mare managed to win three races on the flat, a 2 mile handicap at Brighton as a 3 year old, a 1 mile handicap at Warwick as a 4 yr old, and a 1 mile and half a furlong handicap at Windsor also at 4 yrs old. Karkeh Rud was also placed 11 times on the flat and when tried over hurdles she made the frame once. From a total of 66 races flat and jumps her record stood at 3 wins, 12 places, and 51 unplaced runs.
info courtesy of the Apprentice Jockey. There are profiles of the others on there too..
http://theapprenticejockey.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/john-meacock-still-making-us-smile.html
Karkeh Rud – Bay Mare, 1962.
The bay mare managed to win three races on the flat, a 2 mile handicap at Brighton as a 3 year old, a 1 mile handicap at Warwick as a 4 yr old, and a 1 mile and half a furlong handicap at Windsor also at 4 yrs old. Karkeh Rud was also placed 11 times on the flat and when tried over hurdles she made the frame once. From a total of 66 races flat and jumps her record stood at 3 wins, 12 places, and 51 unplaced runs.
info courtesy of the Apprentice Jockey. There are profiles of the others on there too..
http://theapprenticejockey.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/john-meacock-still-making-us-smile.html
Memory kicking in now, the jock on TARQOGAN was trying to be cute
and he leaned forward in saddle to judge how much he was heading PRINTER by
and forgot about other horses, OLD TOM shot through whilst he was engrossed
in finessing, if this is on video then please watch carefully as to how I read the race!!!!
I named 3 big races that TARQOGAN would win if taking part and they were the ROYAL HUNT CUP,
the big mile handicap at Redcar I think, and THE CAMBRIDGESHIRE, he did not compete in either of the
first two but he did compete and win the CAMBRIDGESHIRE and I think he beat PRINTER in that, the mate I
told had forgotten about it by the CAMBRIDGESHIRE.
and he leaned forward in saddle to judge how much he was heading PRINTER by
and forgot about other horses, OLD TOM shot through whilst he was engrossed
in finessing, if this is on video then please watch carefully as to how I read the race!!!!
I named 3 big races that TARQOGAN would win if taking part and they were the ROYAL HUNT CUP,
the big mile handicap at Redcar I think, and THE CAMBRIDGESHIRE, he did not compete in either of the
first two but he did compete and win the CAMBRIDGESHIRE and I think he beat PRINTER in that, the mate I
told had forgotten about it by the CAMBRIDGESHIRE.
bazzar - he might have beaten Printer in the Cambs, but I think that good filly (mare?) Karelia was second.
interesting thread still didnt answer my question though ,about the same age and same name as RP
still didnt answer my question though ,about the same age and same name as RP
You on the right fred, casemoney?. What was the question?
Karelia was second in Cambridgeshire - I remember the loss well. If you want a guide to the Royal Hunt Cup then just look for those that had previously finished well or ran on well in Grade C or higher handicaps over 7-8f on good or better ground. You'd have backed Refuse to Lose, Showboat and Norton.
Anorak are you guy who was on who wants to be a millionaire
Anorak are you guy who was on who wants to be a millionaire
2s6d ew in the sixties. That's five bob isn't it? You could by a house for that where I lived. You blue blooded Anorak?
casemoney - Your question WAS answered on page 1 - at 14:18
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- and - NO he is not.
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- and - NO he is not.
..and for all you John Meacock fans...!
..the horse that won at Ally Pally on May 26, 1965 was Zardarkah - so blackbarn was very close. David East rode it.
..the horse that won at Ally Pally on May 26, 1965 was Zardarkah - so blackbarn was very close. David East rode it.
FIVE BOB - Not many will know that that is exactly how much money you won for passing the Yes/ No interlude on Take Your Pick with your quiz-inquizitor Michael Miles, with Bob Danvers-Walker on Gong. Try it in the Pub. - no one remembers it, till now.
I do ride a bike, my favourite colour is Blue. and your name is Blackbarn, Yes! Dong!!!!!
I do ride a bike, my favourite colour is Blue. and your name is Blackbarn, Yes! Dong!!!!!
and thank you Ged, Wasn't from memory of course, I just miss-typed it. Doh
I remember there was a contestant who came on and said 'yea' and 'nay'. I think he got trapped before the time was up though.
I have no wish to spend part or all of the evening on Take Your Pick, but the ones I used to like were the ones that went something like....
And whats your name. Cecil Blackbarn! Cecil Blackbarn?, Yes, thats right, Dong!
And whats your name. Cecil Blackbarn! Cecil Blackbarn?, Yes, thats right, Dong!
Kardeh Rud................1 of his horses that knew how to win
A Brighton winner 8/1
A Brighton winner 8/1
It used to make me laugh when a contestant won and Miles seem to really resent giving them that 5/-. It was if it was his own money.
I liked the ones that went..
Contestant:- "errmmm... that's right"
Miles:- "You didn't say 'yes' then did you?"
"No"
Contestant:- "errmmm... that's right"
Miles:- "You didn't say 'yes' then did you?"
"No"
Qalibashi won twice in a week at the Brighton festival in August one year in the 60s. I think the Brighton Cup was one of ?her wins.
Casemoney,
No I was never on Millionaire - my only TV exposure consisted of about 30 appearances on the racing channel in 2002/3.
The anorak tag came about from a regional TV documentary series made by London Weekend in 1996 which followed various individuals involved with racing. I was their tame pro punter and was asked whether I objected to people describing me as an anorak and I responded that it didn't bother me as I was an anorak that was making a living - the name stuck long after the show had been forgotten.
No I was never on Millionaire - my only TV exposure consisted of about 30 appearances on the racing channel in 2002/3.
The anorak tag came about from a regional TV documentary series made by London Weekend in 1996 which followed various individuals involved with racing. I was their tame pro punter and was asked whether I objected to people describing me as an anorak and I responded that it didn't bother me as I was an anorak that was making a living - the name stuck long after the show had been forgotten.
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