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RUBY WOULD HAVE WON EASILY
SACK THE LOSER OF A JOCKEY
SACK THE LOSER OF A JOCKEY
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Silly boy.
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totally disagree was given a great ride . if you looked at most off the stables runners the last few days they ain't been finishing thier races , the horse has been off for over a year ffs if you want too start too look at the ride abourd rev what a plonker holding this horse up , really feel the horse was not fully tuned up for this , as i said before stable really put punters away , so much success being ridden positvely yet they hold it way off the pace , none jogger defo
 pre race comments just before the off we dont want this race too leave its mark for march , be as well saying its out for a fecken run the day |
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totally disagree was given a great ride . if you looked at most off the stables runners the last few days they ain't been finishing thier races , the horse has been off for over a year ffs
Thats why I thought it was a strange ride mart..went for home far too early on bad ground...had he taken a "pull" and waited a bit longer then BB would have won imo. |
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Koi morning.
Whats this thingy thats making dogs ill??? My labby was sick last night he never has been before?? Something going about aint there?? |
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Totally agree koi - the best way to get the horse beat was to ride it as he did.
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Paul Nicholls said after the race that he had told Sam to be positive so don't blame the jockey. As the race worked out, what was he supposed to do when the other 2 pacemakers fell away, take a pull and wait for the main dangers to keep him company? as others have said, the hill and soft ground found him out this time as it has so many in the past.
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No idea grimmy, all I know is that when they have an upset stomach they eat grass....
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Tar . . . . alabama rot is the bastard. . . .not here yet tho thank fook.
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Paul Nicholls said after the race that he had told Sam to be positive so don't blame the jockey. As the race worked out, what was he supposed to do when the other 2 pacemakers fell away, take a pull and wait for the main dangers to keep him company? as others have said, the hill and soft ground found him out this time as it has so many in the past.
Has always worked in the past.....if Ruby had rode BB it would have won, he knows the horse inside out..STD does not. Come the world hurdle, it will be more or less guaranteed that BB will be "waited with" to some extent. |
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trouble in the nicolls camp since ruby left,a stewart didnt want jacobs on B B,shot himself in the foot with that one,if u look at the rpr,for this month,p nicolls,horses r given a minus,on marks they usually run to.is it the jockeys ,or is it the stable form.?the ruby factor has gone.
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before racing jonathan neesom said the ground was soft all the way round,but the straight was bottomless.
look at the 2m hurdle following the cleeve,in to the straight there was 2/3l covering the whole field,come to the line the majority were tailed off. the straight was bottomless. on first viewing i thought std had done little wrong,but now i agree with the chaps above. he went to early and bottomed the horse,and i think the jockey and connections know it. horse ran a cracker. |
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Koi, Ruby would probably have waited back alongside McCoy but Sam was told to do what he did and with 3 horses going clear, it was a no win situation. Two of them were going to stop a long way out. It looked a great ride to me until the last 100 yards. You could argue that the winner would have dotted up if he had been allowed a bigger lead. Nobody seems to criticize AP for sitting so far back and getting beat a head.
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I never thought that so many on here were fans of the way Jamie Spencer rides?.
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Sam rode Big Bucks just as he normally is, taking it up 3 out. There was no flat spot so he was probably travelling better than most of us thought. Taking a pull and waiting to take it up at the last would have been going against the `ride a positive race` instructions from connections.
Anyone who backed BB has to look in the mirror if they are now moaning about the ride. What was the odds Big Bucks would have been ridden to normal instructions?  1/5 perhaps? Did they want to blow away the cobwebs? yup. Is the World Hurdle the target again? yup. BB was 6/5 for a reason, that reason is that he more than likely would need the race. Your money is not the concern of the connections as long as horse and rider try to win the race by the riding the horse as normal, which he did. |
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STD is a young lad and unlike Big Bucks plenty of improvement still to come !
I believe he rode to orders, and obviously hasn't got Ruby's ''in built clock'' to judge the pace of the race, and understand the vagaries of both horse and track re: going ! Many times did Ruby do his own thing and not ride to Nicholls instructions whilst still attaining the right result ! Be interesting to know if he walked the course..... and was aware of the bottomless ground from the last obstacle ?..... |
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I took the e.w on Fishers Cross yesterday and thought I was unlucky not to collect in full.
Fishers is the horse to take out of the race, it has a future. With regards the ride, did not think that sam did much wrong I am just a bit confused as to why he is suddenly thought of as the next champion jockey. No doubt in my mind that Ruby left Nichols because most of the stars in the yard were at the wrong end of their careers and replacements were not obvious. With regards to heavy ground racing I never like to see horses held up because unless the front runners come back you are dead. Fishers was held up because his health and jumping had been an issue but had that not been the case I think it would have won easily. Forget Big Bucks he will never beat Fishers Cross. The king is dead long live the king. |
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Moondan if you are taking the form literally then you are saying Fishers Cross was unlucky not or badly ridden to beat Knockara Beau the 145 rated 11 year old. Hardly King worthy.
I can not take the form literally. |
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He may have kicked for home because of his poor tactical ride on Double Ross,who is an out and out stayer, but was held up to long, and then beaten for speed.
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Angel.
I dont think the going suited any horse and yes it was a muddled affair but Fishers form had been a big concern for the stable as was all the stables runners. My money will say Fishers will not be beaten again this year or next for that matter and I think its sometimes forgotten that he is by far the most serious threat that big bucks has n had to face in about 5 years. Thanks to Big Bucks we may start to see these long distance races become more competitive instead of the 5-6 runner affairs which has been the norm. And thank the racing Gods for that because its been pretty boring and over hyped up until now. Hope to hear from you at the German open this week, cannot support the shootout in any way. |
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Nanny,
Spot on, the lad has much to prove and he will be lucky to ever be in the same class as the jockey who left his dads stable when Sam was getting some choice rides because blood is thicker than water. Brennan wasn't it? |
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the criticism of STD is ridiculous.
rode the horse exactly as it is is always ridden, looked all over the winner but is not the horse he was in 2012. A 70 per cent Big Bucks should have laughed at that field imo. the excuses re being off the racecourse have been made and are valid. we will see come world hurdle day who is right, of course it also depends who his rivals are on the day i remember See You Then being off the track for an age when he won his last CH, won his one prep race and then the CH. |
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My money will say Fishers will not be beaten again this year or next for that matter and I think its sometimes forgotten that he is by far the most serious threat that big bucks has had to face in about 5 years.
I think Annie Power may have a say in this  |
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Annie Power would laugh at , AT Fishers Cross.
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andrew,
Yes will go along with that. It will be great to see these races with a competitive edge, its been pretty boring for years. |
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koikeeper spot on imo. as soon as std kicked for home a mile out i knew straight away would be difficult for bb to win. surley std has watched recording of bb wins in the past. as far as i can remember hes never been ridden as forcefully as this and from my limited experience of racehorses, horses coming back from a tendon injury scare would want an easy race first time back and bb was given a hard race due to forcing the issue a mile from home.
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http://youtu.be/_wloWIFTwEg
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commentator actually says
"the pretenders are massing behind Big Bucks" |
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Those who are trying to use jockey instructions to defend the ride do you really think that when Nicholls said 'ride him positive' he meant take the lead 6f out?
Do you also think what Nicholls says to the press is the same as what he says in private? |
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i see very little difference to his world hurdle win and a number of others, to the ride the horse got yesterday.
If it was held up, at the back, it rarely is in other races, and Big Bucks lost because he was out of his ground i take it everyone would be saying that STD looked after the horse? |
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Do you also think what Nicholls says to the press is the same as what he says in private?
Spot on! |
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So what has the trainer said to STD?.
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If STD could ride the race again do you think he would ride an identical race, somehow I think not.....all about opinions though
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Sam never really got after Big Bucks. He was waiting in front down the hill and going to the last was going every bit as well as he was in all his other winning runs. The difference was 13 months off and the heavy going up the hill.
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The way I see it..He wanted the horse to have a good blow....no good a slow run tatical affair....once the eventual winner dropped away he took himself to the front.........he looked the best horse in the race then & got beat through lack of fitness................fink it will win at Chelt
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He lost the race so the Nicholls team would obviously would have tried something different.
It is pure speculation however, based on how Big Bucks performed, that he would have won with different tactics, bearing in mind Big Bucks normally wins ridden the way he was yesterday imo. |
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Mange, i think he will win the World Hurdle as well, providing Annie Power does not turn up.
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STD was chosen to ride the horse for 2 reasons - he is highly rated in the weighing room (Geraghty said as much earlier this season) and he normally gives horses positive rides - this is the way that he has been brought up. You don't see many of his dad's ridden patiently.
Turning in yesterday, I thought BB was going to win. If he had been given a more patient ride, he might have done. More likely that a combination of the ground and lack of race fitness would have done for him anyway. |
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Really? How many of his races has he lead 6f out in? I suspect hardly any. Most of the time he would have been asked to pick up the leader on the run to the last or even after.
Walsh wouldn't have been interested in getting any 'big jumps' out of the horse until he really asked him to race. All about conserving his energy. |
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History says Annie Champ Hdl............the longer 1 comes later on................top of the ground is a question may be...........
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